If I ever find the guy...

[dubious]

... who designed the Sig552 Airsoft gun, I'll punch him right in the throat! And then I'll track down his friend who designed the V3 mechbox and break his clavicle!

Seriously, just finished work on my friend's gun, and they put way too many parts into it. An m4 you just pop a pin, crack in half, and be done with it. This thing you have to fiddle with and (thanks to Canadian laws) risk breaking all of the plastic pieces... and there are a LOT of pieces! Was that REALLY necessary??? Was there no simpler way to build this thing?

Are most airsoft guns so thoughtlessly designed?

[skalnok]

im assuming the m4 you are talking about is an ics m4?

[KoolAidMan]

easiest gun i've ever disasembled was my ICS l85 no tools needed to take it apart

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by dubious

... who designed the Sig552 Airsoft gun, I'll punch him right in the throat! And then I'll track down his friend who designed the V3 mechbox and break his clavicle!

Seriously, just finished work on my friend's gun, and they put way too many parts into it. An m4 you just pop a pin, crack in half, and be done with it. This thing you have to fiddle with and (thanks to Canadian laws) risk breaking all of the plastic pieces... and there are a LOT of pieces! Was that REALLY necessary??? Was there no simpler way to build this thing?

Are most airsoft guns so thoughtlessly designed?

That would be the same guy who originally design your M4 which in turn copied/cloned by everyone and their grandmother

[TokyoSeven]

Easiest disassemble Ive seem is the Aug. Pull off the front end. Remove the battery cover, take out a couple of screws, remove a plate and shake till the mechbox falls out.

[Gridlock]

The TM P90s are the same aren't they? Take off the butt plate, a screw or two, and smack the thing until the mechbox falls out.

There's a video on mechbox.com for it.

[DarkAngel]

Originally Posted by dubious

... who designed the Sig552 Airsoft gun, I'll punch him right in the throat! And then I'll track down his friend who designed the V3 mechbox and break his clavicle!

Seriously, just finished work on my friend's gun, and they put way too many parts into it. An m4 you just pop a pin, crack in half, and be done with it. This thing you have to fiddle with and (thanks to Canadian laws) risk breaking all of the plastic pieces... and there are a LOT of pieces! Was that REALLY necessary??? Was there no simpler way to build this thing?

Are most airsoft guns so thoughtlessly designed?

Ive met the person who designed every Tokyo Marui Gun in person including the aformentioned V3. He is absolutely phenominal. If you dont like fixing em, dont do it. If you know how to do it, its a sinch. In fact I much prefer and enjoy V3's over v2's for the simple fact that you can shim and test a gearbox without the rest of the gun thanks to the motor cage. Alot of thought went into making AEG's Especially due to the fact that they have size constraints and functionality constraints. Furthermore, TM's are not designed to be upgraded or repaired. They are designed to be thrown out and a new one bought. That being said, you took your own risk in opening it to fix/upgrade it. TM is not to blame for the design at all. You are for opening it and whining about it.

If you dont like it, dont fix it. Simple as that. Unless you can do better and come up with your own better design, quit whining and take it like a man. If you cant take it like a man, pay someone who can take it like a man to do it for you.

Also, by reading your threats of physical violence over a simple thing as an AEG repair, makes me question whether or not that same anger is transferred to the field.

T7, P90 dissassembly is the same, they litterally just drop in with 2 screws holding a plate in. Theres no smacking involved, it slides out like a limp dick. The mechbox is a dream to work on. External Switch Assembly + Built in motorcage FTW.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by dubious

... who designed the Sig552 Airsoft gun, I'll punch him right in the throat! And then I'll track down his friend who designed the V3 mechbox and break his clavicle!

What are you talking about?

The V3 mechbox is amazing.

[DarkAngel]

Im guessing hes one of those "Oh i took apart my own m4 before" so i should be able to fix guns and told that to his friend who gave him a v3. Either he didnt realize the 552 is a v3 and wasnt expecting the external parts of the gearbox or he did and didnt do his research properly before opening it.

V3 is far superior to the V2 in almost every way including reinforcement and . Only reason they still use V2 is cause V2 boxes are smaller and the size restriction forces them to use boxes like the V2 for the MP5 and M4.

I have nothing against new gun docs, its how we all learned. I am sick of the griping however >.> If he has an issue that hes stuck on, nothing is stopping him from posting it in the doctor's corner minus the cussing.

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by Styrak

What are you talking about?

The V3 mechbox is amazing.

That's what I was wondering.

[dubious]

Since this seems to have raised a... passion among people maybe I'll elaborate:

-gears and piston are great, no complaints there
-anti reversal latch is smart but method for securing it sucks because, as I'm sure you know, it likes to fly out of the mechbox during reassembly
-trigger mechanism and selector mechanism (when exploded) is about TWENTY individual parts (not including screws)--- spend another $.05 on electronics and this would have been WAY more simple (i.e. make semi/auto an electronic problem instead of mechanical... and the safety for that matter)
... the whole works seems like an afterthought

And yes, I'm very thankful for the man who invented airsoft guns, I'm just saying there is a lot of room for improvement.

[DarkAngel]

Anti reversals stay in beautifully in most of the guns I work on. You working on a TM or a clone? Only time theres issues on TM or CA boxes is when they replace them with aftermarket parts. But thats expected when you tinker around and mix and match parts. Clones have low quality control. This is yet another reason why everyone says get tm or ca. All the new guys think they know better of course, but this is EXACTLY what all of us have been telling em. Trust me, learn from experienced gun docs.

You forget the Sig is designed to be ambi dexterious while still maintaining a small profile. G36 and AK's have much simpler mechanisms. AK isnt ambi dexterious. G36 has ALOT more space. Working in the space constrictions similar to a V2 with only a marginal amount more of space, im amazed they are able to make it aesthetically functional at all.

Its not an afterthought. Its done remarkably well considering their restrictions.

[CDN_Stalker]

Only problem I have with the V3 as far as assembly is the trigger assembly, but that's a minor point, I'd rather have the strength of design fulltime than worry about taking a few times to get the trigger assembly to sit right when closing the halves. Be nice to have a hole in the back of the mechbox behind the spring guide to be able to hold the spring guide in place when the shell halves are fully together, as opposed to having to pull my allen key out to get the last 6mm snapped shut.

[DarkAngel]

Very true stalker, The reasoning is most likely because in V2 guns, the stock commonly screws into the spring guide, which is not neccesary in V3's due to the reinforced plates on the back for stock attachments. While that hole is VERY convenient for us gundocs, i dont think ease of repair for gun docs were part of the origional design intent. Again, TM Made these guns to be disposable, not repairable. But i do hear you, that hole is a godsend for V2 repair.

Edit : OOOOH, its a CYBERGUN 552. Your friend is another one of those that didnt listen to us about buying clones. Its not even a semi decent clone such as JG. Cybergun is about as bad as it gets.

[coach]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Only problem I have with the V3 as far as assembly is the trigger assembly, but that's a minor point, I'd rather have the strength of design fulltime than worry about taking a few times to get the trigger assembly to sit right when closing the halves. Be nice to have a hole in the back of the mechbox behind the spring guide to be able to hold the spring guide in place when the shell halves are fully together, as opposed to having to pull my allen key out to get the last 6mm snapped shut.

take an empty shell, screwed together, and drill a small hole to fit an allen key.