Systema magnum pinion issue

gvanzeggelaar · June 28th, 2008, 20:46

Ok i got a ICS MP5 with all stock gears save the bevel gear which is an element. The problem is the pinion gear and the bevel gear are not meshing properly. The Element gear is identical to my ICS one which worked fine. However the Systema pinion gear considerably different than my ICS gear. Even when I play around with my motor height the gears continue to half strip, half shoot when I pull the trigger. Just wondering what my issue could be. Both bevel and pinion gear are new.

Thanks in advance.

mcguyver · June 28th, 2008, 21:46

ICS pinion gears are cut with a much sharper tooth pitch than pretty much anyon else's. Also, the Element bevel gear is not exactly the same as the ICS gear. ICS uses slightly smaller axle holes than pretty much everyone else. I'm wondering have you installed new aftermarket bushings, as the Element gear should be a tight fit in stock ICS steel or copper bushings, but the nylon ones may well be reamed out enough to work.

Ditch the Systema motor and use a Marui with an ICS pinion gear. Or change the gears, as well as bushings.

gvanzeggelaar · June 29th, 2008, 00:39

Dam I was scared someone was going to say ditch the motor. I might just do that. Thanks for the help.

Kos-Mos · June 29th, 2008, 07:17

Grab a new gearset. It will solve the problem.

Don't go with super torque-up or infinite torque, they interfere with the reversal latch release.

Also, if your shimming job is not done properly, it will shift the bevel gear too much one side and cause trouble.

gvanzeggelaar · June 29th, 2008, 09:47

KK I'll take it apart tomorrow and check the shimming of my bevel gear.

gvanzeggelaar · July 1st, 2008, 19:53

I shimmed it as far to the one side as possible and it still doesn't work. I thinking about ditching the motor for another. But all other motors seam to have the same type of teeth as the systema on their pinion gear. Even the tm's. It could be the element bevel gear. Does anyone have any experience with these?

Styrak · July 1st, 2008, 21:14

What about changing the gears, which was already mentioned twice?

gvanzeggelaar · July 2nd, 2008, 18:18

I don't have set but I am beginning to think the cheap element gears are the problem. Maybe ill throw some TM ones in.

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June 28th, 2008, 20:46	#1
gvanzeggelaar Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007	Systema magnum pinion issue Ok i got a ICS MP5 with all stock gears save the bevel gear which is an element. The problem is the pinion gear and the bevel gear are not meshing properly. The Element gear is identical to my ICS one which worked fine. However the Systema pinion gear considerably different than my ICS gear. Even when I play around with my motor height the gears continue to half strip, half shoot when I pull the trigger. Just wondering what my issue could be. Both bevel and pinion gear are new. Thanks in advance.

June 28th, 2008, 21:46	#2
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	ICS pinion gears are cut with a much sharper tooth pitch than pretty much anyon else's. Also, the Element bevel gear is not exactly the same as the ICS gear. ICS uses slightly smaller axle holes than pretty much everyone else. I'm wondering have you installed new aftermarket bushings, as the Element gear should be a tight fit in stock ICS steel or copper bushings, but the nylon ones may well be reamed out enough to work. Ditch the Systema motor and use a Marui with an ICS pinion gear. Or change the gears, as well as bushings. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

July 1st, 2008, 21:14	#7
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	What about changing the gears, which was already mentioned twice? __________________ Airsoft Sales and Repair/Upgrade Services

June 29th, 2008, 00:39	#3
gvanzeggelaar Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007	Dam I was scared someone was going to say ditch the motor. I might just do that. Thanks for the help.

June 29th, 2008, 09:47	#5
gvanzeggelaar Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007	KK I'll take it apart tomorrow and check the shimming of my bevel gear.

July 1st, 2008, 19:53	#6
gvanzeggelaar Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007	I shimmed it as far to the one side as possible and it still doesn't work. I thinking about ditching the motor for another. But all other motors seam to have the same type of teeth as the systema on their pinion gear. Even the tm's. It could be the element bevel gear. Does anyone have any experience with these?

July 2nd, 2008, 18:18	#8
gvanzeggelaar Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007	I don't have set but I am beginning to think the cheap element gears are the problem. Maybe ill throw some TM ones in.

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