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Lakonian · April 11th, 2008, 01:59

http://www.systema-europe.com/Forum/...s.asp?TID=2076

This may be why your motors have been burning out.

Holy crap, systema. Nice one.

swatt13 · April 11th, 2008, 02:05

it even says in the instruction, that the part is for gen 3 not current max models, and is not neccissary. i was pretty adiment bout installing it, but got lazy and didnt install it in the end thanks to my bud swatt 6-4's convincing, phew lol.

Trader rating · April 11th, 2008, 02:08

HA!

I had this exact same problem when I first built my chalange kit, mad max tought that might of benn the problem and sure enough that was it.

Lakonian · April 11th, 2008, 02:11

I'm just happy stokes told me about it before I squeezed a few off.

Scary little thing , that bearing is.

Swatt Six-Four · April 11th, 2008, 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by swatt13

it even says in the instruction, that the part is for gen 3 not current max models, and is not neccissary. i was pretty adiment bout installing it, but got lazy and didnt install it in the end thanks to my bud swatt 6-4's convincing, phew lol.

I am so smart SMRT lol.

stokes · April 11th, 2008, 02:16

The stupid thing is they are still installing it on factory QC'D guns... freaking dumbasses. I wonder what they will do to burnt out motors that was caused by the small piece of crap bearing.

trevor · April 11th, 2008, 04:37

both the pre-built 08's I got in had the ball installed from the factory

Death March · April 12th, 2008, 01:46

My 07 had it after 6 months of playing,Yikes! But never had any problems yet though.

Ronan · April 12th, 2008, 01:52

Link doesnt work...

Fuck you videotron for this shitty internet that cost me almost $200 a month.

X95 · April 12th, 2008, 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan

Link doesnt work...

Fuck you videotron for this shitty internet that cost me almost $200 a month.

I think the PTW forums might be the problem. The link is not working for me either but I cant get onto the PTW forums at all.

Ronan · April 12th, 2008, 01:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by X95

I think the PTW forums might be the problem. The link is not working for me either but I cant get onto the PTW forums at all.

K thanks.

Qlong · April 12th, 2008, 03:00

Bah! That forum hasn't been working all afternoon for me.

ILLusion · April 12th, 2008, 04:02

I saw the article earlier.
It basically issued out a warning about the ball bearing that pushes against the motors armature, which leads to burned out motors. If your gun comes with a non-adjustable motor, you're NOT suppose to use the ball bearing, even though it still comes with SCKs.

There is an on-going issue because some Systema factory assembled guns came with the bearing installed and caused some motors to fry prematurely. Systema USA is awaiting response from Systema Japan as to WHY the bearings are still being installed, and whether users with prematurely damaged motors will be compensated.

I received my factory assembled M4A1 MAX July of 2007 on a preorder from 007airsoft. How do I know if the motor it came with is adjustable or not? It came with the ball bearing installed. Since day one, I have found the action to be a bit on the noisy/"grindy" side. I never minded it too much, since the action is so fast that it doesn't really drag on. To me, it always sounded like how a regular AEG sounds with the motor adjusted on the "too tight" side.
Thankfully, I've put less than 2000 rounds in the gun so far - in the event my ball bearing is incorrectly installed, damage is minimal.

Slick · April 12th, 2008, 06:37

Not just the ball bearing. I wouldnt install the set screw either. Whats the point. I noticed from the power of the magnets in the motor, when I fired the gun the set screw would spin and tighten in the grip. If you plan on installing the set screw I would use red locktight and give it time to dry.

X95 · April 12th, 2008, 11:08

PTW forums are up and running now and the link is working.

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April 11th, 2008, 01:59	#1
Lakonian kos Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wherever.	ATTN: PTW OWNERS. http://www.systema-europe.com/Forum/...s.asp?TID=2076 This may be why your motors have been burning out. Holy crap, systema. Nice one.

April 12th, 2008, 01:46	#8
Death March Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Manitoba	My 07 had it after 6 months of playing,Yikes! But never had any problems yet though. __________________ Death Before Dishonor" Bleeding Black Label"

April 12th, 2008, 03:00	#12
Qlong Division Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Scarborough, Ontario	Bah! That forum hasn't been working all afternoon for me. __________________ Weee!

April 11th, 2008, 02:08	#3
pawscal Guest Trader rating	HA! I had this exact same problem when I first built my chalange kit, mad max tought that might of benn the problem and sure enough that was it.

April 11th, 2008, 02:11	#4
Lakonian kos Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wherever.	I'm just happy stokes told me about it before I squeezed a few off. Scary little thing , that bearing is.

April 11th, 2008, 02:16	#6
stokes Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto	The stupid thing is they are still installing it on factory QC'D guns... freaking dumbasses. I wonder what they will do to burnt out motors that was caused by the small piece of crap bearing.

April 11th, 2008, 04:37	#7
trevor Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Red Deer	both the pre-built 08's I got in had the ball installed from the factory

April 12th, 2008, 04:02	#13
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	I saw the article earlier. It basically issued out a warning about the ball bearing that pushes against the motors armature, which leads to burned out motors. If your gun comes with a non-adjustable motor, you're NOT suppose to use the ball bearing, even though it still comes with SCKs. There is an on-going issue because some Systema factory assembled guns came with the bearing installed and caused some motors to fry prematurely. Systema USA is awaiting response from Systema Japan as to WHY the bearings are still being installed, and whether users with prematurely damaged motors will be compensated. I received my factory assembled M4A1 MAX July of 2007 on a preorder from 007airsoft. How do I know if the motor it came with is adjustable or not? It came with the ball bearing installed. Since day one, I have found the action to be a bit on the noisy/"grindy" side. I never minded it too much, since the action is so fast that it doesn't really drag on. To me, it always sounded like how a regular AEG sounds with the motor adjusted on the "too tight" side. Thankfully, I've put less than 2000 rounds in the gun so far - in the event my ball bearing is incorrectly installed, damage is minimal. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed Last edited by ILLusion; April 12th, 2008 at 04:05..

April 12th, 2008, 06:37	#14
Slick Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: North York	Not just the ball bearing. I wouldnt install the set screw either. Whats the point. I noticed from the power of the magnets in the motor, when I fired the gun the set screw would spin and tighten in the grip. If you plan on installing the set screw I would use red locktight and give it time to dry. __________________

April 12th, 2008, 11:08	#15
X95 Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Calgary	PTW forums are up and running now and the link is working.

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