Jing Gong metal body --- fact or fiction?

[dragonfruit]

http://www.airsoft-news.eu/e107_imag...m4cqb_3003.jpg

I just saw this pic on airsoft-news. It's a clone of GP's stubby but look at the description: metal gear box and... metal body? :O

If this AEG is for real, its gonna be a tight upgrade platform: 416 cqb stock, metal body, disposable front end, woweeeee....

Does this mean the china clones will be the future? Or maybe just pot metal craps? Comment please

[TokyoSeven]

JG is showing that its gradually getting better with its products, better quality internals and what not, QC is still a little lacking but in time hopefully that will shape up. I wouldnt go so far as to say that china clones will be the future.

[Crunchmeister]

JG already have metal-bodied MP5s that are reported to be of really good quality considering the price. The metal MP5 internals are known to be a little problematic with greatly overpowered 400+ fps springs cracking the non-reinforced mechboxes. And apparently the hopups on these metal MP5s aren't as good as the hopups on their ABS models. But as far as externals and overall fit and finish, the metal bodies are quite good. They're not quite as good as the high end brands, but for the price, better than ABS for not a lot more money.

However, JG have shown they can make a badass mechbox with the Systema-clone mechboxes they installed in the inexpensive JG 416. This is a badass reinforced mechbox that can easily handle 400 fps poundings. I'm sure the quality of the metal isn't on par with Systema, but they're very inexpensive. If they add these mechboxes to new model JGs, like this metal M4 or their MP5s, then they have some pretty badass products on their hands that with tighter quality control, would totally ass-rape all but the highest end name brands in terms of out of the box quality and features, for about 1/2 the price.

However, China is China, the land of cheap labour. In that sense, you get what you pay for in terms of QA. Real tight quality control and manufacturing consistency is not a known trait of any Chinese product.

[Skladfin]

china clones are getting really good. But i have to say

if they clone AEGs

and if the original high end brands goes out of business because of it

what are they going to clone?

[Donster]

here is a pic of what all the hype is about:

[Crunchmeister]

If the Chinese clones eventually surpass the brand names in terms of quality AND price, it will probably force the big brands to improve their products. I doubt they'd go out of business.

As a prime example of this, look at Real Sword. They're a Hong Kong manufacturer and they've pretty much reinvented what an AK AEG is with their Type 56. There is no other stock airsoft AK that can even come close to touching that gun in terms of not only materials, but high quality internals. And no other can touch it in terms of realism either. They've proven that they can not only match, but surpass Japanese quality by leaps and bounds. And they did it at a street price of $375 US ($900 in Canada).

They not only copied, but also innovated in many areas. And reports are their Type 97 is equally impressive and has some great features. They're showing the bi brand names that they mean business. IMHO, all other airsoft gun manufacturers got served. If Hong Kong can do it, then it's just a matter of time before other Chinese manufacturers follow suit.

[ThunderCactus]

Well, in the exact chemistry definition of metal, yes its a metal body.
But remember, pewter is a metal by the same definition. lol

[Drake]

I've compared a DBOYs metal body and G&P metal bodies side by side.

It becomes plainly obvious that the metal isn't the same, but more importantly the quality of the product isn't the same, in terms of fit and finish, etc.

Will the Chinese one self-destruct on you mid-game? No. It's a metal body. I'm sure it'll last. But anyone who wants something good looking, and doesn't want to have to grind modify the body for it to be up to snuff isn't going to go down that route.

The analogy I'd make is cheap, all generic parts -built computers versus systems built with quality brand name parts. They'll both appear to run similarly at first glance, but under scrutiny you'll realize you do get what you pay for.

[Skladfin]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

If the Chinese clones eventually surpass the brand names in terms of quality AND price, it will probably force the big brands to improve their products. I doubt they'd go out of business.

As a prime example of this, look at Real Sword. They're a Hong Kong manufacturer and they've pretty much reinvented what an AK AEG is with their Type 56. There is no other stock airsoft AK that can even come close to touching that gun in terms of not only materials, but high quality internals. And no other can touch it in terms of realism either. They've proven that they can not only match, but surpass Japanese quality by leaps and bounds. And they did it at a street price of $375 US ($900 in Canada).

They not only copied, but also innovated in many areas. And reports are their Type 97 is equally impressive and has some great features. They're showing the bi brand names that they mean business. IMHO, all other airsoft gun manufacturers got served. If Hong Kong can do it, then it's just a matter of time before other Chinese manufacturers follow suit.

Real Sword externals are provided by the same company that manufactures the real steel version of the same guns for the Chinese Army... Maybe that's why...

[Crunchmeister]

Very true. Their externals are real steel parts, putting them in a class of their own whern it comes to airsoft. However, their internals are also of a grade not found in even high end brand name AEGs. Even their packaging and instruction manuals are leaps and bounds over other manufacturers.

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

Very true. Their externals are real steel parts, putting them in a class of their own whern it comes to airsoft.

Umm.. no.

Highly doubt this. Especially for the AK line-up.

[Crunchmeister]

Well, that's what's generally accepted in reviews out there. Even if they're not from the real steel factory, they're all solid blued steel with the exact dimensions of the real thing. RS don't advertise it as such, only claiming all steel parts are stamped and built using the same materials and processes as the real steel version, and built to 100% correct dimensions in every way shape and form as the real steel. Even Systema can't claim that, although they're close externally, and they are superior internally.

However, from what I can see looking inside the receiver, it has grooves and notches that have no purpose whatsoever on an AEG, but would serve purpose in mounting inner rails and parts for real steel components. To me, that suggests that the steel parts are what reviewers claim them to be. If they were using real steel Norinco parts, they could run into issues exporting their wares to many countries. However, they do advertise that their external wood is real steel parts.

[Qlong]

You and your crazy ass Real Sword, I wish I had more OSAP coming to me.

[Schwag]

I have the jg mp5 ras with metal body.
LOVE it. It's solid as hell, heavy, tight. did a minor durability upgrade. Been my primary since last summer. Easily 50,000 bbs without a problem.

I can't speak to the quality of the metal body but I'm not worried about breakage. Looks good.

However..most of the cheap aftermarket metal bodies I've seen don't fit right without some work.
Mine came well assembled and shimmied but I have seen others that weren't as well assembled.
Chinese guns will almost always need some tinkering/regreasing/shimming to be good, practical, long-term primaries.

[Crunchmeister]

Nice to see someone who actually has one of the metal JG MP5s respond. All reviews I've seen of it say that the metal seems solid enough, at least as solid as ABS, and probable moreso, and looks great cosmetically. It probably won't hold up to a CA metal body, but still damn good for the price.

I agree that some Chinese aftermarkey bodies can be a pain to fit. I have the DBoys C8 metal body I got from Huang. I hear a lot of people had fit issues with them. I lucked out and had no fit issues. The mag well was tight. The only mags that fit were my high caps and my G&P Thermold. No other metal mag would fit. A little sanding with my dremel took care of that. It seems that I was fortunate not to have more fit issues.

Everything fits and works great now. But comparing it to my stock Classic Army body, you can tell that CA is in a league above DBoys. I don't have any experience with other after-market bodies, low or high end, but I suspect the quality is noticably different.