Wrench

BooKoo · February 13th, 2008, 00:57

Do I need an armorers wrench to remove my front barrel assembly? I want to buy a RIS System for my M4. http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...roducts_id=904

Thats the item, so would anyone mind telling me how to install it.

please respond ASAP!

mcguyver · February 13th, 2008, 01:06

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Originally Posted by BooKoo

Do I need an armorers wrench to remove my front barrel assembly? I want to buy a RIS System for my M4. http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...roducts_id=904

Thats the item, so would anyone mind telling me how to install it.

please respond ASAP!

It depends on the gun. The barrel nuts on some guns can be removed with your bare hands, and other require an armourer's wrench and preferrably an AR vise of some sort.

More info from you is required if you want a precise answer.

BooKoo · February 13th, 2008, 01:15

The gun is a G&P Commando. I think Cactus could be of some help as he seems to be a G&P guy. I tried to move it a bit with pliers, but no dice. So I guess I'm going to have to get a wrench?

Not sure about what other info you might need.

mcguyver · February 13th, 2008, 01:18

You can use the wrench and not damage the splines at all. Or you could try the hillbilly approach and use channel-lock pliers and hope for the best. I've removed more than 1 G&P barrel nut, some with my hands only and some with pliers. But a wrench is $30 or less and works best.

BooKoo · February 13th, 2008, 01:35

How did you do it with your hands and the pliers? Did you just grab the splines and twist? I want to try it without the wrench because that plus the rail is going to be too much for me in the time frame i'm looking at. I need to get it done by next week for a milsim. If its a no go on the pliers tactic, then i wont risk damaging the splines and ill just get those hand guard rails for now. Ive gotta put an AN PEQ somewhere...

mcguyver · February 13th, 2008, 01:50

Grab the splines tightly with a large set of channel lock pliers and turn, keeping steady grip to avoid the pliers turning on the splines. Use 1 hand to hold the upper (if you don't have a vise) and use the other hand on the pliers. It's not the best way to do it, that's for sure, but it can work in a pinch if you lack the correct tools.

BooKoo · February 13th, 2008, 02:01

curses. Tried and it doesn't want to work. The pliers keep slipping. Oh well hand guard adapter it is.

dodger_me · February 13th, 2008, 02:04

Or get one of those cable wrench things at Canadian tire for like 10 bucks

BooKoo · February 13th, 2008, 02:05

cable wrench?

dodger_me · February 13th, 2008, 02:12

http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/pr...romSearch=true

or just search up "Mastercraft Baby Boa Constrictor"

ILLusion · February 13th, 2008, 02:43

"Strap Wrench" is another term for those type of wrenches.

Also, make sure you have the gas tube out, so that it's not blocking movement of the barrel nut against the upper receiver.

BooKoo · February 13th, 2008, 03:16

Yeah the gas tube is removed. I removed the front sight assembly and the gas tube held the front part that held the end of the grips together. So we used a screw with a spreader on it to hold the two pieces together. So then the bottom grip goes on like normal. But yeah I don't know how well that wrench would work There isn't a lot of room to put it. I have to remove the nut to get the delta ring off don't I

dodger_me · February 13th, 2008, 03:24

Uh, I know with my jg delta ring i just just pull it back and turn the slits together and it pops off the barrel nut

Drake · February 13th, 2008, 05:04

G&P uses a real-steel style barrel nut. You can get a real AR15 armorer's wrench for $30 or less and do the job right.

Guarder also makes a nice one, for about the same price.

m102404 · February 13th, 2008, 10:28

This is the Red/Green approach...because I'm cheap...

Wrap a couple of layers of double sided tape around the ring. Then wrap an old t-shirt or rag over it, just one or 2 layers. It'll give the pliers something to bite on a bit. Big pliers...so you get some leverage. Remember...you're just trying to squeeze hard enough to not slip. Squeezing too hard and you could be actually compressing the ring and jamming it on the threads. The rotational torque is what unscrews it.

Strap wrench will work, double sided tape will give it a bit more grab as well.

A drop of penetrating oil into the threads couldn't hurt at this point. You could also try to tighten it a little and then loosen it in case there's something (i.e. paint/finish/corrosion/crud) jamming the threads.

And yes...make sure the gas tube or anything else that may be pinning it in place is removed first...

Good luck.

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February 13th, 2008, 00:57	#1
BooKoo Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BC (Dont be hating)	Wrench Do I need an armorers wrench to remove my front barrel assembly? I want to buy a RIS System for my M4. http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...roducts_id=904 Thats the item, so would anyone mind telling me how to install it. please respond ASAP!

February 13th, 2008, 01:18	#4
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	You can use the wrench and not damage the splines at all. Or you could try the hillbilly approach and use channel-lock pliers and hope for the best. I've removed more than 1 G&P barrel nut, some with my hands only and some with pliers. But a wrench is $30 or less and works best. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

February 13th, 2008, 01:50	#6
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	Grab the splines tightly with a large set of channel lock pliers and turn, keeping steady grip to avoid the pliers turning on the splines. Use 1 hand to hold the upper (if you don't have a vise) and use the other hand on the pliers. It's not the best way to do it, that's for sure, but it can work in a pinch if you lack the correct tools. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

February 13th, 2008, 01:15	#3
BooKoo Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BC (Dont be hating)	The gun is a G&P Commando. I think Cactus could be of some help as he seems to be a G&P guy. I tried to move it a bit with pliers, but no dice. So I guess I'm going to have to get a wrench? Not sure about what other info you might need.

February 13th, 2008, 01:35	#5
BooKoo Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BC (Dont be hating)	How did you do it with your hands and the pliers? Did you just grab the splines and twist? I want to try it without the wrench because that plus the rail is going to be too much for me in the time frame i'm looking at. I need to get it done by next week for a milsim. If its a no go on the pliers tactic, then i wont risk damaging the splines and ill just get those hand guard rails for now. Ive gotta put an AN PEQ somewhere...

February 13th, 2008, 02:01	#7
BooKoo Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BC (Dont be hating)	curses. Tried and it doesn't want to work. The pliers keep slipping. Oh well hand guard adapter it is.

February 13th, 2008, 02:05	#9
BooKoo Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BC (Dont be hating)	cable wrench?

February 13th, 2008, 02:43	#11
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	"Strap Wrench" is another term for those type of wrenches. Also, make sure you have the gas tube out, so that it's not blocking movement of the barrel nut against the upper receiver. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

February 13th, 2008, 03:16	#12
BooKoo Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BC (Dont be hating)	Yeah the gas tube is removed. I removed the front sight assembly and the gas tube held the front part that held the end of the grips together. So we used a screw with a spreader on it to hold the two pieces together. So then the bottom grip goes on like normal. But yeah I don't know how well that wrench would work There isn't a lot of room to put it. I have to remove the nut to get the delta ring off don't I

February 13th, 2008, 05:04	#14
Drake E-01 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, QC	G&P uses a real-steel style barrel nut. You can get a real AR15 armorer's wrench for $30 or less and do the job right. Guarder also makes a nice one, for about the same price. __________________

February 13th, 2008, 10:28	#15
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	This is the Red/Green approach...because I'm cheap... Wrap a couple of layers of double sided tape around the ring. Then wrap an old t-shirt or rag over it, just one or 2 layers. It'll give the pliers something to bite on a bit. Big pliers...so you get some leverage. Remember...you're just trying to squeeze hard enough to not slip. Squeezing too hard and you could be actually compressing the ring and jamming it on the threads. The rotational torque is what unscrews it. Strap wrench will work, double sided tape will give it a bit more grab as well. A drop of penetrating oil into the threads couldn't hurt at this point. You could also try to tighten it a little and then loosen it in case there's something (i.e. paint/finish/corrosion/crud) jamming the threads. And yes...make sure the gas tube or anything else that may be pinning it in place is removed first... Good luck.

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