Simulating recoil in AEGS

[Daiviet]

hey guys, i know some people are huge about adding recoil to their AEGS.

Most from what i've seen, people have been trying to get the recoil directly from the piston movement, which seems like it'll destroy the gun a bit faster. I actually have a different solution someone may want to try.

http://www.bmigaming.com/games-video...ng-hunting.htm

Look at the console about 8-9 pictures down, "Ghost squad evolution". I played that game in an arcade the other day, and it has a cool little trick. Most other arcade games that have guns which simulate recoil have something inside moving front and back, not really practical for AEGS.

However, this one instead of the recoil being driven from the inside,has the stock simulating all the recoil on the outside. At the end of the stock, it has a rubber plate, the top side is fixed, while the bottom of it is kinda loose. Whenever you fire, a motor turns, and with gears and stuff, pushes the bottom in and out, simulating recoil when its placed against the shoulder.

I have no idea how to do this, I don't have enough knowledge, but maybe someone else may be able to do this.
I'm thinking maybe a second motor wired to the trigger being placed in the stock or something. The device needed doesn't seem too bad, since the gun for the arcade game has a hole going through the stock, not leaving much room for the recoil thing to be there.

[El Cactus Loco]

iv played that game. thats not how it works.
pretty sure its a piston inside.
could be wrong though...

[demco11]

On a side note...

ive always wanted to take one of those "Sniper" guns from the arcade....



Then set it up for time crisis or something for PS3 hahaha.... so what if its bulky? it looks BAD ASS

[Greenwolf]

Originally Posted by demco11

On a side note...

ive always wanted to take one of those "Sniper" guns from the arcade....



Then set it up for time crisis or something for PS3 hahaha.... so what if its bulky? it looks BAD ASS

I think it'd be funnier if you gutted it and put a GBB/AEP in there and brought it to an airsoft game...

Back on topic, you're suggesting that you add a piece to the stock to simulate recoil, not a piece inside the gun? Because if thats the case I'd like to point out that A) I doubt that would work with bullpups, (where would you put it? the gearbox is already in the stock!) and B) where would you get to power source for the stock recoil motor? the gun's battery? if so wouldn't that drain the battery twice as fast? (that maybe ok for a someone with a large battery but on a carbine or SMG where you might be stuck with a smaller battery it'd be trickier. Even on larger rifles the battery is usually in the stock so again it comes down to room)

that being said, props for a new and interesting idea

[Drake]

Something like this?

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=49990

[jamilsaleem]

well, about the idea of the link posted above of a previous thread, one thing i didnt like in that idea was the recoil direction. because the recoil simulator piston shoots forward which should be backwords towards your shoulder not the gun jumping forward with every shot. i dont think we have had a solid practical way, well what about those vibrators on game controlers, would use less power a couple of AA batteries, set them on the rear end of your full stock and you're set to go. just to keep your hands shaking not the best idea...

[JoelBrown/ArC]

Too bad we couldn't link this to a myth!
Cause then the Mythbusters could lend us some help. :P
I'm sure one member or some random guy will crack this one some day...

[Daiviet]

@drake
Nah, i saw that thread and remembered playing this game, so i started a new thread on it. Different idea for sure.

I honestly don't know how it works, i just took a shot at what i think makes it work. Its definetly not for every gun as Talraga pointed out, but it'll work for some of the larger guns. who knows, maybe i'll ask my friend who works at a playdium to jack the gun for me to dissect heh.

[Kos-Mos]

If I had to make a recoil mech for an AEG... I think I would settle for a solenoid with a steel free float center rod. Takes just a tiny bit of power to drive the rod foward for backward.

And it does not have to be very long, just have enought power to accelerate the weight fast.

I probably will try someday. I have a G36 with an M4 collapsible... nothing in the buffer yet..... might try it some day.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

A rod accelerated through a magnetic coil striking a dampener in the butt?

put a light spring on it to reset,, switch connected to the trigger.. every pull of the trigger energizes the coil and the rod slams back into the dampener.. transmitting the energy of the accelerated rod.

Bulk and Powering... would be issues to overcome.

Better question is why bother?

Get your recoil experiance firing live.. then make sure you handle your simulator so that recoil.. if it was present would be managed.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by jamilsaleem

well, about the idea of the link posted above of a previous thread, one thing i didnt like in that idea was the recoil direction. because the recoil simulator piston shoots forward which should be backwords towards your shoulder not the gun jumping forward with every shot. i dont think we have had a solid practical way, well what about those vibrators on game controlers, would use less power a couple of AA batteries, set them on the rear end of your full stock and you're set to go. just to keep your hands shaking not the best idea...

The description for the patent is a headache to try and make sense of, but if you follow along with the diagram you see what it's actually doing is compressing a weight with a spring at the rear (towards the butt); when the piston moves forward, the weight is then free to "spring" back forward. Enter Newton's third law ("For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."); half of the energy put out by the spring to push the weight forward will be directed towards the butt, and into the user's shoulder.

So there is recoil in the proper direction.

It's actually clever, and given that Marui is pretty much singlehandedly responsible for current AEG technology I'd give them credit on the engineering front for being innovative.

But as mentioned on the other thread, kiss your Crane stock battery goodbye.

As for vibration, the TM UZI had that. More like a small vibrator in the grip than any recoil.

Ultimately I still think gas power is the best bet for recoil, specially after using the Co2-powered KWC Mini UZI. Still not a .45 or anything, but it's definitely stronger than any other GBB out there. Maybe these gas-powered mechboxes coming out will eventually lead to something with recoil.

[Mantelope]

Originally Posted by Drake

But as mentioned on the other thread, kiss your Crane stock battery goodbye.

I disagree... You'd just need to have a SystemA-style battery that doesn't actually have any cells in the buffer tube.

[El Cactus Loco]

but then where would the wire go if the buffer tube is full of pistons 'n shit?

[Greylocks]

I'm with Brian. Why bother? Want recoil? Go shoot the real thing. I can live with the lack of total realism. What works for my brain and adrenalin is to stare down the barrel of a gun held by an opponent and knowing I'm screwed.

All because it LOOKS real to me, not because it will kill me.

Mechanically, the problems remain: How to do this and not create something else that can fail. Show my curious brain a foolproof way to do it, and I sure will look at it.
Show me something that requires fixing all the time, and I wont be interested.

[Mantelope]

Originally Posted by El Cactus Loco

but then where would the wire go if the buffer tube is full of pistons 'n shit?

You can have a little teeny channel to hold two 16 gauge wires, it wouldn't be that big of a deal.