Scope on SPR

[HaloSix4]

ok well im almost done my spr but when i put my scope on it gets in the way of my sight but i want the sight on for quick shooting how do i fix it.:?

[F!reStorm*]

Buy high rings or flip up sights.

[Nova316]

If u put a zoomed scope on, your iron sights are gonna be useless
So if u want a red dot for CQB sightings, get the rail mounted scope rings, and mount a doctor sight on there

[F!reStorm*]

Oh yah, that too. Actually rings with a rail on top will look 100 times better than ugly high rings.

[Skladfin]

readjust the sights

[Drake]

+1 Secondary optics is the way to go.

Get something like one of those Docter Sight knockoffs; a big RDS looks goofy on top of a scope.

Various rings with rails are available, depending on the look you want etc. You're aiming for something like this:




This was my old setup (using a much smaller scope now -- Leupold M3 knockoff)

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Nova316

If u put a zoomed scope on, your iron sights are gonna be useless

You sir, are very mistaken. Scopes etc are usually mounted so that iron sights can always be used, such as an emergency when the scope fails or breaks.

[HaloSix4]

Originally Posted by Styrak

You sir, are very mistaken. Scopes etc are usually mounted so that iron sights can always be used, such as an emergency when the scope fails or breaks.

And thats what i want my sights for

[mateba]

+1 for the small RDS. It will offer a faster transition. By "fail" do you mean that your optics will break or stop functioning? If you want a fail safe co-witnessed optic you should look into solar RDSs or a 1-?x scope. I think Action makes a 1-4x scope that resembles a Leupold Mk4 CQ/T. You still wont get the eye relief a RDS will give you but you will have the choice between magnifications. A 1x you should be able to view your sight without any blur, as you would without a scope, but you will have a cross hair and tunnel vision.
http://www.opticsplanet.net/leupold-...fle-scope.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/ACTION-1-4x20mm-...QQcmdZViewItem

good luck
mateba

[F!reStorm*]

Originally Posted by m102404

With the high front and rear sight setup on AR style rifles, you're going to be hard pressed to be able to use both the iron sights and magnified scope and co-index the aiming points. Even if you get the alignment sorted out, with a maginified scope your front sight is likely to be very blurred and thus not usable as an instant backup to the scope. You could get really high scope rings that have holes/tunnels for sighting through the bases of the rings to see your iron sights, but even still I don't think they're meant for AR iron sight heights. Also, most scopes eye relief distances make it very hard to allow room to mount a rear sight.

Now, most redot sights (i.e. aimpoint style or eotech style) can be setup to be co-indexed with iron sights. They're right in that sweet spot where the red dot usually ends up on or very close to the front sight pin. Since RDS are typically zero magnification, there's no optical abberation of the front sight. RDS on or off, you can still use your iron sights. There's even 3x magnifiers the line right up as well.

If you want iron sights for backup in case your scope fails (i.e. breaks) or fogs, buy a better scope. If you are thinking of needing iron sights for close up shots where the magnification makes it hard to find your target, you can try alternate aiming methods. One method involves using your top turret (elevation turret) as a aiming reference point. Another method involves shooting with both eyes open and allowing the cross hairs to super-impose over the full view from your non-scope eye. Both methods take a lot of practise, are only good for close up shooting and are highly dependant on how repeatable your cheek/spot weld is when you're shooting. But they work, and it's only airsoft distances so it's not too bad.

Just my 2 cents (almost 3 cents USD), take it with a grain of salt.

Very useful post, some advices I'll use myself from now on.

[Nova316]

Originally Posted by Styrak

You sir, are very mistaken. Scopes etc are usually mounted so that iron sights can always be used, such as an emergency when the scope fails or breaks.

I'd have to see this, Unless you have a 1x zoom scope thats the only way that will work, even my 1.5-6x scope at 1.5x blurs my front sight making it useless. The only way I can see that working is if your rings were super high.. Or you had both flip sights so if your scope did go down u could just take it off and flip your irons but having them both work efficiently I dont see how that works.

[Drake]

The iron sights being used as backups are meant to be used WITHOUT the scope mounted. Even a low magnification scope will render the front sight tower virtually invisible (a dark blur at best). It's NOT meant for co-witnessing.

Unless you're using really cheap scope rings that require tools to remove, you'll be able to remove your scope quickly if necessary (I prefer the throw level type). As seen in the pic, my SAM-R has a KAC flip up tower up front and 300m flip up BUIS at the back (which is low profile enough for the scope to clear, despite the relatively low mounts).

Sometimes you find yourself in games where long range shots just aren't happening, and you aren't using the scope. Falling back to iron sights is more effective.

As for the red dot, it's useful for quick aiming while moving. Using a scope for close range shots is slow and impractical. The scope + RDS setup allows you the best of both worlds. Scopes like some of the ACOGs have built-in iron sights on the top (albeit with a very small sight radius). There's also a different mount for the installation of a Docter Sight.

Unless you're investing to build a very accurate gun, a low magnification scope like the ACOG might be preferable.

[HaloSix4]

well i tried putting my red dot on but now my sights are in the way

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Halo64

well i tried putting my red dot on but now my sights are in the way

Saw off part of your front sight. Problem solved.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Halo64

well i tried putting my red dot on but now my sights are in the way

Putting your red dot on where? And which sights are in the way?