green gas

[watkins_zx2r]

i recently purchaced a ksc 19 and my current location makes it hard to purchase green gas.
is there any alternitive? can other propelents be used or is there any way to ship cans overseas?
thanks for any help.

[Hades]

http://www.airsoft-innovations.com/

[tony123]

http://aasurplus.ca/airsoft/product_...roducts_id=503

Resurch the airsoft inovations propane addaptor and lightweight oil.

Just remember Green gas is propane.

[BBS]

Originally Posted by tony123

Just remember Green gas is propane.

exactly...except its unscented (hence the foul smell propane has) and interstingly propane is more powerful than green gas.

[watkins_zx2r]

i have checked out the website and many arguments over the green gas
progane issue.
i have heard that the plastic slide will brake if i use propane but than it tells me that propane is the same as green gas so if that is so than it means the
plastic slide will be ok.
this seems to be a varying issue and i really want a clear yes or no for propane on a ksc g19 with plastic slide.
cheers

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by watkins_zx2r

i have checked out the website and many arguments over the green gas
progane issue.
i have heard that the plastic slide will brake if i use propane but than it tells me that propane is the same as green gas so if that is so than it means the
plastic slide will be ok.
this seems to be a varying issue and i really want a clear yes or no for propane on a ksc g19 with plastic slide.
cheers

If you're worried about your plastic slide cracking, just order a duster adaptor from Airsoft Innovations, that way you can use cans of computer duster gas, which is considerably cheaper than buying HFC134 cans.

http://www.airsoft-innovations.com/product4.html

If your gun is capable of using green gas, then using propane will produce the exact same effects as using green gas, because they are the same thing.

[Jayhad]

I had put 10,000+ bbs through my KSC G34 and G18 with prop before I went to a metal kit and never broke it. Just my experience but since that I have never worried

[surebet]

Originally Posted by watkins_zx2r

i have checked out the website and many arguments over the green gas
progane issue.
i have heard that the plastic slide will brake if i use propane but than it tells me that propane is the same as green gas so if that is so than it means the
plastic slide will be ok.
this seems to be a varying issue and i really want a clear yes or no for propane on a ksc g19 with plastic slide.
cheers

Propane isn't "the same" as green gas, propane is green gas and vice versa.

Since the gas is compressed at a higher pressure, it exerts more force when firing. Your gun probably won't fail dramatically on the first shot, but more stress means a higher chance of a random break and will generally reduce the life-span of a slide. There is not definite study that give a comprehensive result on wear, but empyrical evidence points to more damage.

That being said, a KSC G19 metal slide can be found for about 100$ in Canada, and it is a highly recommended upgrade with or without propane. Adds that much more to the realism of the gun.

I personnally own a G19 with metal slide, and I'm only getting rid of it because of financial reasons. Skip the guessing game, purchase the metal slide along with the gun when you order, or as soon as possible.

[unused123]

Originally Posted by surebet

Propane isn't "the same" as green gas, propane is green gas and vice versa.

Since the gas is compressed at a higher pressure, it exerts more force when firing. Your gun probably won't fail dramatically on the first shot, but more stress means a higher chance of a random break and will generally reduce the life-span of a slide. There is not definite study that give a comprehensive result on wear, but empyrical evidence points to more damage.

That being said, a KSC G19 metal slide can be found for about 100$ in Canada, and it is a highly recommended upgrade with or without propane. Adds that much more to the realism of the gun.

I personnally own a G19 with metal slide, and I'm only getting rid of it because of financial reasons. Skip the guessing game, purchase the metal slide along with the gun when you order, or as soon as possible.

lol i saw your signature, isnt that from maplestory?

[surebet]

Maplewhat?

*Googles*

Oh hell nah! Just stole them from another forum, don't recall which ones.

[krap101]

i thought the only difference between green gas and propane was that green gas has like silicone oil or something in it to lube your gun? and even though its stored at a higher pressure, you'd just fill it for less time. unless your talking about the initial filling stress, which would probably be more.

[surebet]

Green gas is propane, with a different smell added, and a tad of oil. I bought a bottle way back to compare, and I was not impressed. Not only didn't the bottle have any visible burst disk, but the fact that the gas was pleasantly perfumed meant that I would not be able to detect a leak as well.

As for pressure, propane is propane is propane. You shouldn't have pressure variations since it's the same stuff.

Also, it's a breeze adding oil to the mix. You just add a drop of oil in the tank's valve, the screw on the adapter.

All that's left is to purchase high-end escorts with the money you'll save.

[krap101]

what i meant (to myself at least) is that inside a propane tank, there is more liquid. when you open the valve, pressure is released and that liquid and it expands, therefore releasing more pressure. i think green gas is only like less than 1/3 liquid. Inside the gun its the same pressure, but i was talking about the filling pressure.

Outside of the pressure to fill it, it should perform basically the same, but i've never tried actual propane.

[surebet]

It doesn't quite work that way; my day was quite long so my explanation may not be too eloquent, but try to follow me.

If you take two containers, fill them with different quantities of gas (in this case propane), you will only have one of the canisters with more gas compressed to liquid form.

At a certain PSI level, propane reverts to liquid. That pressure is the same, whether you have 100mL or 500 mL of liquefied gas in the container.

The only difference is that the container with more liquid will yield more gas volume when decompressed.

The pressure will remain the same, but one will allow you to make more fills since there is simply more gas in there.

The only way to affect output pressure would be to add another gas in the mix with different properties, and even there I think it gets quite complicated.

However, if you take a CO2 powered paintball gun as an example, 2 containers filled with the same amount of gas may yield different pressure characteristics if one only feeds gas whereas the other feeds liquefied CO2 (ie: stock tank versus tank with an anti-syphoon), but that is only because the outputted CO2 form is not the same.

In the case of an airsoft GBB magazine fill, the idea is to inject liquefied gas into the mag, so that variant is out of the equation.

Therefore, since green gas = propane, output pressure will be the same, even if one container has more liquefied gas in it.

Basicly, higher content of liquid simply mean higher capacity, not higher pressure.

Get it?

[krap101]

so your saying 1 bottle of green gas stores at the same psi as propane in a propane tank?