Tokyo Marui P226 Whoas

[kdogg]

Have a couple questions. I know my AEG's but I suck at pistol upgrades so I thought I would pick the brains of some of you guys who already did these mods on there P226's.

I recently bought a TM P226.

I want to bring up the FPS so I ordered a few mods. Mods are as fallows:

Guarder Metal Body Kit
Guarder Metal Barrel
Guarder Enhance loading Muzzle
Guarder Metal Recoil Rod Set
Guarder Enhanced Recoil Spring and Hammer Spring
Guarder Enhanced Valve Blocker
R.C.C. Power Up Cylinder Bulb
Nineball Air Seal Chamber Packing
Nineball Tightbore
Nineball High flows
Nineball Dyna-Piston Head Kit (looks like an AEG piston head)

Anyway, get the gun all the way together and it doesn't shoot right. First off, its only shooting 290fps using .20's on green gas. Seems low to me?

Secondly, I can't make it threw a full magazine. It's hot for like the first couple shots then it dies off and wont cycle right or make it threw a complete mag.

Took everything back out, put it back to stock and it actually fires much better.

Right now all its got in it is the metal kit, guide rod, tight bore and hop packing.

Oh and the Nineball high flows are the WORST THING ever invented. I don't know what I'm doing wrong but 90% of the time when i pull the trigger, it does nothing. CLICK!.. From what I can tell, the hammer that hits the valve is missing the valve. The valve is so pointy on top, the hammer glances off it instead of hitting it smack on the top and making it function. I'm not the only one who has reported this issue with these valve either so I don't know if its just we are all doing something wrong or the just suck. I'd be scared to sell these for fear of someone accusing me of trying to rip them off lol

From what I can tell part of the major issue is the springs are way to heavy and its taking way too much gas to cycle the gun properly.

I've got this gun in a full Blackhawk Kydex leg drop platform with a Blackhawk Sepra Kydex holster and its beautiful eye candy but whats the point if it doesn't function also lol

Thoughts? Suggestions?

[Scooby Steve]

Most people would upgrade a pistol like that so they could run it on propane.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Scooby Steve

Most people would upgrade a pistol like that so they could run it on propane.

Green gas IS propane.

And kdogg, 290 doesn't seem low? Especially because you added the metal body. It has to cycle all that metal instead of plastic, which takes more force with the same amount of gas. That's what I think is happening. As for the mag running out, I dunno.

*EDIT*: Ahh, maybe you mean it seems low for the valve upgrade?

[kdogg]

Valve upgrade and all the other internal upgrades, yes.

I see people here on these forums even with P226's shooting 340~360 with .20's, using greengas or propane with almost the same upgrades I've chosen.

[mcguyver]

Too bad they don't make an M130 kit for a GBB!!

A fellow I play with did a very similar upgrade to yours, but without the hammer spring and high flow valves. He still can't get through an entire mag either. I chalked it up to being the increased mass of the slide, as well as the slower movement of the slide. This would time the valve to be open longer, but I think the extra gas released gets used to cycle the slide and doesn't translate to extra velocity for the BB.

I hate working on gas guns, and I don't spend alot of time with them at all. So I'm only speculating here.

I'd much rather work on my PTWs, but they don't really need any. So I watch the Military Channel instead.

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

I'd much rather work on my PTWs, but they don't really need any. So I watch the Military Channel instead.

...*sigh* ....

Metal slides don't weigh much more than the ABS slides. I don't know where all this "metal slides are supar heeeevy" stuff is comin' from.

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by kos

...*sigh* ....

This poor fellow needs help. Use your "sigh" emoticon!!!

[ILLusion]

Don't feel too bad.

I can get a full mag through my 226, but by the end, it lacks enough power to push the slide all the way for the catch to grab on.

There's not much you can do to help that. The magazine is small, there isn't much volume for gas.

Although, I am able to get around 330fps with the stock valves. Upgrading to high flow valves aren't too good on the 226. If you're running a real capacity setup, then it's okay. But beyond that, the only effective high flow valve I've used is the Firefly Power Valve, and that got me up to almost 350fps. However, due to the small gas capacity of the magazine, the velocity dropped quickly on successive shots. You lose consistency that way.

Don't feel too bad that your Nine Ball valve sucks. I had the same issue with it. When I *could* get it to work, the power it put out was equivalent to the stock valve, if not a bit lower at times. It wasn't even any more consistent. I have no idea what the engineer was smoking when those valves were designed. It seems that the design of it somehow makes the valve too hard to strike open, even with an enhanced hammer spring. It can be struck open when there's almost no gas left in the mag. :P

I've noticed gas consumption improves a bit when you use the stock hammer spring, but then you risk reliability issues if you're shooting propane, especially on a hot day.

[kdogg]

I think the designer was smoking some ass crack that day.

From what I can tell, its not an issue of the valve not being cracked open, its an issue of the valve being too pointed and the hammer not hitting it right on the head. The hammer seems to glance off the side and not actual strike the valve in the right place.

As for the comment on the metal slide not weighing much more, I agree. It doesn't weigh so much more that this should be a major issue.

In fact, I also own a KJW P226 model KP-001, and as you guys know, its full metal. I only have the one mag it came with so I use my TM mags in it too.

My Tokyo Marui mags work perfectly in the KWJ Works P226 and on that gun, even though its full metal, I can get threw a full mag of BB's on green gas then then another 5~6 shots.

I'm hoping to get my TM like that sooner or later.

I'm going to try pulling one of the mags all apart and porting it out top and bottom with a porting bit I use to port manifolds and turbo chargers. See if I cant worm an extra 5~10% gas capacity out of it.

[ILLusion]

Just be careful with the porting... the soft monkey metal of these mags are prone to damage and won't hold up too well if you thin the walls too much.

[kdogg]

Yes I took that into consideration so I'm going to take it easy.

Thankfully, I have like 7 or 8 (8 if I remember where I put one) Tokyo Marui P226 magazines and I never use more then one my guns holds and the two extras my Blackhawk Kydex leg platform will hold. Still, I'd like to not scrap any of them if possible.. :P

Btw how does your P226 function with that suppressor on it? Does it cycle properly? I'm thinking about a Nineball threaded or Nineball SAS threaded barrel. I really like the look of the real steel Sig P226 Tactical which as a factory option comes with a threaded barrel.

I just picked up a Sig P226 Rail frame chambered in .40 caliber and I'm kicking myself for not getting the "Tactical" model.

[The Saint]

Keep in mind that it's possible for silencers to further decrease your shots per mag by weighting down the outer barrel, which in turn pushes down upon the the slide, increasing friction and amount of gas necessary to blowback the slide.

I'd put the Guarder nozzle, Dyna piston head and that floating valve spring it includes back in and rechrony. See if that increases your fps at all.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by kdogg

Btw how does your P226 function with that suppressor on it? Does it cycle properly? I'm thinking about a Nineball threaded or Nineball SAS threaded barrel. I really like the look of the real steel Sig P226 Tactical which as a factory option comes with a threaded barrel.

It functions fine. There is a noticeable increase in friction from its weight, but it's not too bad.

[kdogg]

Originally Posted by The Saint

Keep in mind that it's possible for silencers to further decrease your shots per mag by weighting down the outer barrel, which in turn pushes down upon the the slide, increasing friction and amount of gas necessary to blowback the slide.

I'd put the Guarder nozzle, Dyna piston head and that floating valve spring it includes back in and rechrony. See if that increases your fps at all.

Yes I'm aware the suppressor will cause more issues, I don't intend to use it much. More for looks then anything but I'm going to order something foam filled from Hong Kong that actually has a bit of silencing properties to it so from time to time, it will be used. Hopefully US Customs doesn't seize it... :P

Too bad there isn't much I can do about the slide clank. I wish I could make a pistol as quite as a PTW with a decent suppressor on it.

Btw when you say floating spring, do you mean the one that came with the Dyna piston head kit?

[The Saint]

Yeah, that little spring.

Also, have you considered switching to red gas?