hopup packing comparison

ThunderCactus · June 4th, 2007, 18:33

between the systema and guarder hopup packing/bucking/rubber/whatever you wanna call it, which is superior? I thought I'd ask before sunday but I can always test it out on the field.

ILLusion · June 4th, 2007, 18:54

Guarder has two of them, which one are you referring to? (One is black, the other is translucent.)

ThunderCactus · June 4th, 2007, 19:13

translucent
i opened them up, i figure i'll use the tougher guarder sleeve in my G3 and the softer systema sleeve in my much lower fps UMP

Cushak · June 4th, 2007, 19:18

Does using different brands of Hop-up packing (over say, stock TM packing) have any noticeable positive effect on the BB's flightpath?

ThunderCactus · June 4th, 2007, 19:28

i've tried guarder, stock TM and stock G&G, and yes it does make a difference at long ranges.
the stiffness of the packing dictates how consistent the flight path of each BB will be, the G&G packing was soft and deformed differently after each shot so it was hard to get a good shot off

The Saint · June 4th, 2007, 20:20

The softer bucking's for lower FPS. I've actually had very consistent shots at around 380fps on the Guarder clear. The softer stuff seem to adjust with much more finesse than the stiffer bucking.

ILLusion · June 4th, 2007, 22:41

The transluscent Guarder is actually the softer one.

I only really recommend them for <380fps. They're super sticky and perform well, but due to the softness of the material, I find that they wear down too quick.

Raysaaark · June 5th, 2007, 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILLusion

The transluscent Guarder is actually the softer one.

I only really recommend them for <380fps. They're super sticky and perform well, but due to the softness of the material, I find that they wear down too quick.

I agree with Illusion on that. Does anyone have any qualitative testing on the new Madbull one with the H Bucking? I am still in the stages of getting my Pro-win up, so I still havn't had a chance to do any kind of really high FPS testing for it yet.

ILLusion · June 5th, 2007, 14:14

I haven't handled the Madbull one, but there's a recent thread somewhere on this forum where a bunch of guys were discussing the Madbull hop up with the "X" packing and the general consensus was that it sucked. I don't think I saw one positive review in the discussion.

I use the Big-Out H-Hop in almost all of my AEGs. Combined with a KM RH-type hop-up, I get pretty good results. Otherwise, I've just resorted to Systema hop up rubbers. I was never a great fan of the Guarder ones, after destroying 7 of the translucent ones in less than one season.

The Saint · June 5th, 2007, 14:21

There were a couple discussions over at Arnies about the Madbull, too. Don't recall particularly positive reviews. Something about the H nub being too soft to work properly.

Raysaaark · June 5th, 2007, 14:26

Well, I had read the other post involving them, but I hadn't seen anything actually quantative, so I thought I would ask the Smiths that Actually knew there stuff instead of the general airsoft population, we know how they are.

While on the topic of rubbers and buckings, I would really wouldn't reccomend the PGC Hard type Rubber. I find if jams up my mech box, weather its in a pro-win or in any other kind of hop-up. Don't know if its the pair of them I have, or all of them, but havn't had too much success with them.

ILLusion · June 5th, 2007, 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raysaaark

While on the topic of rubbers and buckings, I would really reccomend the PGC Hard type Rubber. I find if jams up my mech box, weather its in a pro-win or in any other kind of hop-up. Don't know if its the pair of them I have, or all of them, but havn't had too much success with them.

So why would you recommend that rubber if it jams up your mech box?

The PGC hard hop up rubber, although stated for M130 or stronger springs, I find don't work well even at M130. I have greater success with M150 or stronger.

Raysaaark · June 5th, 2007, 14:58

Geez. A M150! Where would you need that in Canada? Where could you use that in Canada?

Ducky · June 5th, 2007, 16:22

The Guarder black hopup bucking works very well, but you need atleast 350 fps to use it effectively. I tried it on an AEG firing 310, it made the hop up extremely consistant but did lower the weapons effective range quite abit as it just didnt have the power for that hopup stiffness

ILLusion · June 5th, 2007, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raysaaark

Geez. A M150! Where would you need that in Canada? Where could you use that in Canada?

It wasn't a gaming gun.

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June 4th, 2007, 18:33	#1
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	hopup packing comparison between the systema and guarder hopup packing/bucking/rubber/whatever you wanna call it, which is superior? I thought I'd ask before sunday but I can always test it out on the field.

June 4th, 2007, 18:54	#2
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Guarder has two of them, which one are you referring to? (One is black, the other is translucent.) __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

June 4th, 2007, 19:13	#3
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	translucent i opened them up, i figure i'll use the tougher guarder sleeve in my G3 and the softer systema sleeve in my much lower fps UMP Last edited by ThunderCactus; June 4th, 2007 at 19:16..

June 4th, 2007, 19:18	#4
Cushak Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Saskatoon/Moose Jaw	Does using different brands of Hop-up packing (over say, stock TM packing) have any noticeable positive effect on the BB's flightpath?

June 4th, 2007, 19:28	#5
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	i've tried guarder, stock TM and stock G&G, and yes it does make a difference at long ranges. the stiffness of the packing dictates how consistent the flight path of each BB will be, the G&G packing was soft and deformed differently after each shot so it was hard to get a good shot off

June 4th, 2007, 20:20	#6
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	The softer bucking's for lower FPS. I've actually had very consistent shots at around 380fps on the Guarder clear. The softer stuff seem to adjust with much more finesse than the stiffer bucking. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

June 4th, 2007, 22:41	#7
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	The transluscent Guarder is actually the softer one. I only really recommend them for <380fps. They're super sticky and perform well, but due to the softness of the material, I find that they wear down too quick. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

June 5th, 2007, 14:14	#9
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	I haven't handled the Madbull one, but there's a recent thread somewhere on this forum where a bunch of guys were discussing the Madbull hop up with the "X" packing and the general consensus was that it sucked. I don't think I saw one positive review in the discussion. I use the Big-Out H-Hop in almost all of my AEGs. Combined with a KM RH-type hop-up, I get pretty good results. Otherwise, I've just resorted to Systema hop up rubbers. I was never a great fan of the Guarder ones, after destroying 7 of the translucent ones in less than one season. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

June 5th, 2007, 14:21	#10
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	There were a couple discussions over at Arnies about the Madbull, too. Don't recall particularly positive reviews. Something about the H nub being too soft to work properly. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

June 5th, 2007, 14:26	#11
Raysaaark Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Calgary	Well, I had read the other post involving them, but I hadn't seen anything actually quantative, so I thought I would ask the Smiths that Actually knew there stuff instead of the general airsoft population, we know how they are. While on the topic of rubbers and buckings, I would really wouldn't reccomend the PGC Hard type Rubber. I find if jams up my mech box, weather its in a pro-win or in any other kind of hop-up. Don't know if its the pair of them I have, or all of them, but havn't had too much success with them. __________________ Raysaaark "Piss Off A Liberal - Buy A Gun" Bumpersticker Last edited by Raysaaark; June 5th, 2007 at 14:57.. Reason: Oops...

June 5th, 2007, 14:58	#13
Raysaaark Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Calgary	Geez. A M150! Where would you need that in Canada? Where could you use that in Canada? __________________ Raysaaark "Piss Off A Liberal - Buy A Gun" Bumpersticker

June 5th, 2007, 16:22	#14
Ducky Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Winnipeg	The Guarder black hopup bucking works very well, but you need atleast 350 fps to use it effectively. I tried it on an AEG firing 310, it made the hop up extremely consistant but did lower the weapons effective range quite abit as it just didnt have the power for that hopup stiffness

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