First gun: looking for "all-purpouse" AEG

Ultimus · July 12th, 2006, 12:13

Well I'm officially interested in AS now. Time to get serious and get a gun. :-D

The topic title, while vague, faithfully sums up what I'm looking for. I need something that's moderately light and compact but powerful/accurate enough to be usable for outdoor use at stock config (don't want to go into upgrading until I'm more experienced).

Budget (not including gear, which I've already secured from a very generous friend), is about $600-$650 max. For this I'm hoping for a gun, charger, a few lowcaps, the usual. Obviously I'm not looking for field domination because I know I won't get it. Full rifles are too big for my tastes, and pistols, as I understand, are fairly useless as primaries (and I'd rather not deal with the costs of gas for GBB's). So basically that narrows down my choices to an SMG or light rifle.

Basically I have 4 TM's in mind right now: MP5J, P90, MP7, and G36C.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the P90's magazines or look, but according to some reviews, it's right up my alley. MP5 seems just kind of "meh" to me - just too much of a pistol, not enough of a rifle, but as I hear it's tried and true. MP7, while gorgeous, is lacking in power, and G36C is a bit on the big side.

As it stands right now, I'm leaning towards the G36 simply because of the power and better battery/life when compared to the MP7, but with an extra charger to get, it's also a bit more expensive. And once again, more limited mobility due to size/weight.

Any other recommendations that you guys think I should consider, or any points to bring up that would sway me towards the most appropriate gun?

Regards,
Ultimus

SHaKaL · July 12th, 2006, 12:17

You cant go wrong with the TM (or CA) g36c. Good cqb and outdoor rifle! The only con i found is the size of the mags... not very practical but you can get used to it. I myself have a CA36k stock and like it alot!

Greylocks · July 12th, 2006, 12:30

All you need to do is to get age-verified. The Marui G36, if you like the style, is a well built gun.
The only thing I dont like about it is the smaller battery option unless you go for aftermarket parts.
If you dont mind the looks of the AK47, it's about as bulletproof as you can get.
There is a thread in the Airsoft Guns section about what is the best AEG. You may want to read it.

As for the costs, you are at the very low end of what you need; $600 barely gets the gun. You'll need a really good charger (dont scrimp on that, folks who do always come back with battery problems), an extra magazine or two, ammo and protective equipment.

I'd also look at the ICS and CA products.

Read the Information section while you're researching.

Nabisco_Lobstrosity · July 12th, 2006, 12:41

The G36 is a fantastic platform in real life, and it's just as cool in airsoft. So many possiblities! You have no idea how lucky you are.

I feel the need to play devil's advocate, though. STAR makes a competitive alternative to Tokyo Marui, when it comes to G36's. IF the opportunity presents itself, and maybe you want something other than the 'C' design, you might want to do a little informed-consumer-research on that.

Now, as a fan of the G36c, I need to defend it against your views on its physical dimensions - it's less than 80cm long with the stock in the regular position. An MP5 is about 70cm long, or about 50cm with the stock collapsed. Remember that a G36 can fold its stock, bringing it (in this case, the 'C', with a shorter foregrip) down to 50cm.

That's nearly the exact same size! That's "big" to you? Maybe compared to an MP7 or a P90, then yes, but still ...

Unless you're really into girly microscopic guns that you can wear inside your sweat pants ["Ha! Double entendre!"], get a G36c already!

Ultimus · July 12th, 2006, 13:54

Heh, seems like I was right with my instincts about the G36C.

So I plan to go down to ASCA brick/mortar when it opens/has the gun in stock, get verified, and pick it up. So here is my shopping list, basically:

TM G36C
1 extra low-cap (for light indoor/CQB use for the time being, will get more lowcaps/hicap for outdoors)
charger
.2g BB's

Anything else I'm missing to get started (not concerned with battery cap for now)?

skewed · July 12th, 2006, 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimus

Heh, seems like I was right with my instincts about the G36C.

So I plan to go down to ASCA brick/mortar when it opens/has the gun in stock, get verified, and pick it up. So here is my shopping list, basically:

TM G36C
1 extra low-cap (for light indoor/CQB use for the time being, will get more lowcaps/hicap for outdoors)
charger
.2g BB's

Anything else I'm missing to get started (not concerned with battery cap for now)?

Add a battery or two to that list(and ballistic goggles or a paintball mask if you don't have either already) and you should be good to start off.

Greylocks · July 12th, 2006, 15:04

Be aware that a really good charger is a good thing to have, and they cost between $100 and $150.
Do not make the mistake of trying to save money on what makes your gun and batteries work. Those things are worth the expense.
If not, it's like buying a really good car but not having money for gas.

Ultimus · July 12th, 2006, 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by skewed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimus

Heh, seems like I was right with my instincts about the G36C.

So I plan to go down to ASCA brick/mortar when it opens/has the gun in stock, get verified, and pick it up. So here is my shopping list, basically:

TM G36C
1 extra low-cap (for light indoor/CQB use for the time being, will get more lowcaps/hicap for outdoors)
charger
.2g BB's

Anything else I'm missing to get started (not concerned with battery cap for now)?

Add a battery or two to that list(and ballistic goggles or a paintball mask if you don't have either already) and you should be good to start off.

If I'm not mistaken (please correct me if I am), a battery is included - 600mah, which I know sucks overall, but I'm guessing it's enough to get started?

I'm just going to be CQB'ing for just a few rounds for now, and at the 1mah per BB that I've read, that's 12 full mags give or take in good temps, which I can imagine as being enough for me.

And I've already got a paintball mask, facemask, gloves + full BDU.

As they say, it's Quantity, Quality, Safety... in that order.* :razz:

*this is a joke

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Be aware that a really good charger is a good thing to have, and they cost between $100 and $150.
Do not make the mistake of trying to save money on what makes your gun and batteries work. Those things are worth the expense.
If not, it's like buying a really good car but not having money for gas.

Yup, I'm well aware of this. Going for a $150 one. Thank you for the concern.

Ghillie973 · July 12th, 2006, 15:22

no battery comes with the gun.

skewed · July 12th, 2006, 15:24

Yeah, some places might offer a battery with the gun as a starter set, but it comes from the factory with no battery.

Ultimus · July 12th, 2006, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghillie973

no battery comes with the gun.

Wow. Great that you told me.

Would this be compatible/fittable?

It's a "mini", just like the gun.

SHaKaL · July 12th, 2006, 15:34

You better get a 1100mah and up mini... 600mah dont last long

This is one of the best battery on the market... you cant go wrong with thoses

http://cgi.ebay.com/INTELLECT-Mini-T...QQcmdZViewItem

And ehobbyasia ship fast, like 3-7 days max

Greylocks · July 12th, 2006, 16:47

Check the battery format too. Some guns require batteries assembled in sticks, blocks, or other strange shapes to fit in the gun.
Good call on the charger, it will stop any headaches.

Always get two batteries, mostly because it really sucks to run out of power (for any reason) during a game in the middle of nowhere. For the rest, I'd say you're pretty much on the right track since you are going for quality and reliability.

You are going to enjoy this game.

(Agreed, the higher the MAH rating you can get, the better).

attack-beaver · July 12th, 2006, 16:59

well i must admit your going with a good gun for your first rifle. but i donno it this was said or not what brand were you going with?

and maybe down the road you should think of getting a G&P V-stock for your G36 it would let you store a large style battery in the folding slether stock. but thats an idea if you would like to got a larger battery.

heres a review on the stock i you like the idea http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=22633

longshot · July 12th, 2006, 17:22

Please don't let the excitments of getting a new airsoft gun that might draw you away from spending some money for a good protective face mast. Safety comes first...I learn that the hard way as a newbie a few years back. I had to rent one for $5 at the field on my first game...really hated.

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July 12th, 2006, 12:13	#1
Ultimus Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Toronto	First gun: looking for "all-purpouse" AEG Well I'm officially interested in AS now. Time to get serious and get a gun. :-D The topic title, while vague, faithfully sums up what I'm looking for. I need something that's moderately light and compact but powerful/accurate enough to be usable for outdoor use at stock config (don't want to go into upgrading until I'm more experienced). Budget (not including gear, which I've already secured from a very generous friend), is about $600-$650 max. For this I'm hoping for a gun, charger, a few lowcaps, the usual. Obviously I'm not looking for field domination because I know I won't get it. Full rifles are too big for my tastes, and pistols, as I understand, are fairly useless as primaries (and I'd rather not deal with the costs of gas for GBB's). So basically that narrows down my choices to an SMG or light rifle. Basically I have 4 TM's in mind right now: MP5J, P90, MP7, and G36C. Personally, I'm not a fan of the P90's magazines or look, but according to some reviews, it's right up my alley. MP5 seems just kind of "meh" to me - just too much of a pistol, not enough of a rifle, but as I hear it's tried and true. MP7, while gorgeous, is lacking in power, and G36C is a bit on the big side. As it stands right now, I'm leaning towards the G36 simply because of the power and better battery/life when compared to the MP7, but with an extra charger to get, it's also a bit more expensive. And once again, more limited mobility due to size/weight. Any other recommendations that you guys think I should consider, or any points to bring up that would sway me towards the most appropriate gun? Regards, Ultimus

July 12th, 2006, 15:22	#9
Ghillie973 Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Petawawa	no battery comes with the gun. __________________ Age Rep for Petawawa Area

July 12th, 2006, 12:17	#2
SHaKaL Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Trois-Rivi?res	You cant go wrong with the TM (or CA) g36c. Good cqb and outdoor rifle! The only con i found is the size of the mags... not very practical but you can get used to it. I myself have a CA36k stock and like it alot!

July 12th, 2006, 12:30	#3
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	All you need to do is to get age-verified. The Marui G36, if you like the style, is a well built gun. The only thing I dont like about it is the smaller battery option unless you go for aftermarket parts. If you dont mind the looks of the AK47, it's about as bulletproof as you can get. There is a thread in the Airsoft Guns section about what is the best AEG. You may want to read it. As for the costs, you are at the very low end of what you need; $600 barely gets the gun. You'll need a really good charger (dont scrimp on that, folks who do always come back with battery problems), an extra magazine or two, ammo and protective equipment. I'd also look at the ICS and CA products. Read the Information section while you're researching.

July 12th, 2006, 12:41	#4
Nabisco_Lobstrosity Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charlottetown, PEI	The G36 is a fantastic platform in real life, and it's just as cool in airsoft. So many possiblities! You have no idea how lucky you are. I feel the need to play devil's advocate, though. STAR makes a competitive alternative to Tokyo Marui, when it comes to G36's. IF the opportunity presents itself, and maybe you want something other than the 'C' design, you might want to do a little informed-consumer-research on that. Now, as a fan of the G36c, I need to defend it against your views on its physical dimensions - it's less than 80cm long with the stock in the regular position. An MP5 is about 70cm long, or about 50cm with the stock collapsed. Remember that a G36 can fold its stock, bringing it (in this case, the 'C', with a shorter foregrip) down to 50cm. That's nearly the exact same size! That's "big" to you? Maybe compared to an MP7 or a P90, then yes, but still ... Unless you're really into girly microscopic guns that you can wear inside your sweat pants ["Ha! Double entendre!"], get a G36c already!

July 12th, 2006, 13:54	#5
Ultimus Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Toronto	Heh, seems like I was right with my instincts about the G36C. So I plan to go down to ASCA brick/mortar when it opens/has the gun in stock, get verified, and pick it up. So here is my shopping list, basically: TM G36C 1 extra low-cap (for light indoor/CQB use for the time being, will get more lowcaps/hicap for outdoors) charger .2g BB's Anything else I'm missing to get started (not concerned with battery cap for now)?

July 12th, 2006, 15:04	#7
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Be aware that a really good charger is a good thing to have, and they cost between $100 and $150. Do not make the mistake of trying to save money on what makes your gun and batteries work. Those things are worth the expense. If not, it's like buying a really good car but not having money for gas.

July 12th, 2006, 15:24	#10
skewed Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Downtown Toronto	Yeah, some places might offer a battery with the gun as a starter set, but it comes from the factory with no battery.

July 12th, 2006, 15:34	#12
SHaKaL Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Trois-Rivi?res	You better get a 1100mah and up mini... 600mah dont last long This is one of the best battery on the market... you cant go wrong with thoses http://cgi.ebay.com/INTELLECT-Mini-T...QQcmdZViewItem And ehobbyasia ship fast, like 3-7 days max

July 12th, 2006, 16:47	#13
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Check the battery format too. Some guns require batteries assembled in sticks, blocks, or other strange shapes to fit in the gun. Good call on the charger, it will stop any headaches. Always get two batteries, mostly because it really sucks to run out of power (for any reason) during a game in the middle of nowhere. For the rest, I'd say you're pretty much on the right track since you are going for quality and reliability. You are going to enjoy this game. (Agreed, the higher the MAH rating you can get, the better).

July 12th, 2006, 16:59	#14
attack-beaver Trader rating Join Date: May 2005 Location: calgary	well i must admit your going with a good gun for your first rifle. but i donno it this was said or not what brand were you going with? and maybe down the road you should think of getting a G&P V-stock for your G36 it would let you store a large style battery in the folding slether stock. but thats an idea if you would like to got a larger battery. heres a review on the stock i you like the idea http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=22633

July 12th, 2006, 17:22	#15
longshot Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2003	Please don't let the excitments of getting a new airsoft gun that might draw you away from spending some money for a good protective face mast. Safety comes first...I learn that the hard way as a newbie a few years back. I had to rent one for $5 at the field on my first game...really hated.

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