Is "No Duff" Still a Thing?

Flaming Salami · April 2nd, 2018, 14:55

Not sure where else to post this.

Anyways, I was at a game yesterday with lots of players. The field was really muddy and I watched an enemy player running full-tilt fall and hit his back really hard. After everyone stopped shooting at him I was watching to see if he would get up but he was obviously hurt quite badly and was in pain.

A few of us tried to get the ref's attention but nobody was assisting him, including his own teammates who couldn't have been more than 10ft in front of him. I decided to start calling "no duff" because this guy was clearly hurt, and a bunch of people started calling it. Still no ref or players close to him were responding to that and they kept playing. So I kept calling no duff and ran towards him myself. I got lit up a bunch of times while calling no duff and running with my arms up towards him, and even when I was on the ground trying to assist him and see what was wrong I was still getting shot at!

I thought that "no duff" was a common-knowledge thing amongst airsofters. After more people were yelling ceasefire, everyone got the message. But my goodness it took way longer than it should have for people to stop firing, especially the players right beside this guy. On a side note, I didn't hear any actions on injured player during the briefing before the game. And I got a video of all this too on my GoPro.

Thoughts?

TL;DR: a player was injured and I called no duff to assist him, wound up getting shot at for a long time before people realized what was going on.

nardac · April 2nd, 2018, 15:14

I was at the top of hill and saw you run to his aid. I didn't see what happened, as I had just come around building. Once guys heard "no duff" at top of hill it got echoed back, some knew what it meant, others did not. I also then heard "cease fire".

I don't recall "no duff" covered in the safety brief, I'd suggest bringing it up to Hamish and the staff.

hamishflagswipe · April 2nd, 2018, 15:41

Something we can certainly do going forward. I'll have our staff add it to the rules going forward.

Thanks for coming out on sunday!

shonit123 · April 2nd, 2018, 15:47

No Duff seems to be more of a thing CF side,

i've only ever heard Cease fire for airsofting, seems like it would make more sense anyways for the average person.

DuffMan · April 2nd, 2018, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by shonit123

i've only ever heard Cease fire for airsofting, seems like it would make more sense anyways for the average person.

No Duff has always been the call in the past. It was very confusing for me.

Ourindar · April 2nd, 2018, 16:30

It's still in use in Nova Scotia. NSA has it in their waivers/rules docs and ICBA (my 'home' org) has it in ours as well. It's something we generally explain to new people.
Seems to me like a communication failure somewhere, though I think most people would stop shooting on most fields seeing someone injured or cross the field with hands up yelling something.

RainyEyes · April 2nd, 2018, 17:35

We use something similar at siege as well. I doubt it's common knowledge for some of the newbies though if they've never heard of it.

But from context when you see someone on the floor you'd thing people could "read the room" and know to stop shooting.

Desmodus · April 2nd, 2018, 18:03

No Duff has always been the standard at any game I've gone to. Shitty that it took so long for everyone to stop shooting. I hope the injured player is okay!

Flaming Salami · April 2nd, 2018, 18:03

I'm not really upset about what happened I was more or less surprised that not many people knew what it meant. When I started airsofting 7 or 8 years ago I learned it pretty early on.

Even if "no duff" isn't the call, I think that actions on injury should definitely be covered in every single game brief. Perhaps, I'll just message the staff at the field and let them know.

leth1337 · April 2nd, 2018, 18:05

the community is dropping the ball assuming new players and new hosts are learning the things we've all come to think are common sense. no duff has always been a thing at any event i've been to but the hosts made sure to include it in the safety briefing or at the very least having their own version

Danke · April 2nd, 2018, 20:55

For the safety call in general. Yeah for sure a CF thing and ASSUMEing people will know what it means gets us you know what.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuffMan

No Duff has always been the call in the past. It was very confusing for me.

DuffMan; all Duff, all the time.

Whenever a no duff call goes out he sadly packs his gear and goes home again. Skunked again he thinks!

ThunderCactus · April 2nd, 2018, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by shonit123

No Duff seems to be more of a thing CF side,

i've only ever heard Cease fire for airsofting, seems like it would make more sense anyways for the average person.

"No duff" has been standard call for a medical emergency across the prairies for at least 12 years now.
"Cease fire" is used to cease fire for any reason other than a medical emergency.
Being able to specify between medical emergencies and normal game stoppages tends to help response rate to medical emergencies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flaming Salami

I thought that "no duff" was a common-knowledge thing amongst airsofters.

It's only common knowledge so long as it's commonly taught.
I make sure it's part of the briefing at every game I go to. But you know how some children (airsofters) are. Either not paying attention or can't understand basic english.
Some of us (infrequently) still get shot at during a no duff. And it's always under such dumb conditions as being shot as a dead player:
"That guy is moving around with his gun down in a very non threatening manner! shoot him!"

Danke · April 2nd, 2018, 21:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

"No duff" has been standard call for a medical emergency across the prairies for at least 12 years now.
"Cease fire" is used to cease fire for any reason other than a medical emergency.
Being able to specify between medical emergencies and normal game stoppages tends to help response rate to medical emergencies.

It's only common knowledge so long as it's commonly taught.
I make sure it's part of the briefing at every game I go to. But you know how some children (airsofters) are. Either not paying attention or can't understand basic english.
Some of us (infrequently) still get shot at during a no duff. And it's always under such dumb conditions as being shot as a dead player:
"That guy is moving around with his gun down in a very non threatening manner! shoot him!"

Probably whistle blasts for a bigger field where a voice yelling no duff may not carry.

Kungpow · April 3rd, 2018, 02:29

I am guessing "No Duff" is an established term on some fields. Ceasefire is almost a no brainer.

Perhaps the players that were still playing/shooting were doing so because they saw others still shooting and playing.

3 whistle blows, or air horn blows should be able to stop the game too.

bomber439 · April 3rd, 2018, 16:48

"No Duff" is in use at our field. It is in our rule book and is covered during briefing. The message is passed on by voice yelling and radios. Players are expected to make safe, stop all movement, keep radio silence and await further instructions.

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April 2nd, 2018, 14:55	#1
Flaming Salami Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Kingston Ontario	Is "No Duff" Still a Thing? Not sure where else to post this. Anyways, I was at a game yesterday with lots of players. The field was really muddy and I watched an enemy player running full-tilt fall and hit his back really hard. After everyone stopped shooting at him I was watching to see if he would get up but he was obviously hurt quite badly and was in pain. A few of us tried to get the ref's attention but nobody was assisting him, including his own teammates who couldn't have been more than 10ft in front of him. I decided to start calling "no duff" because this guy was clearly hurt, and a bunch of people started calling it. Still no ref or players close to him were responding to that and they kept playing. So I kept calling no duff and ran towards him myself. I got lit up a bunch of times while calling no duff and running with my arms up towards him, and even when I was on the ground trying to assist him and see what was wrong I was still getting shot at! I thought that "no duff" was a common-knowledge thing amongst airsofters. After more people were yelling ceasefire, everyone got the message. But my goodness it took way longer than it should have for people to stop firing, especially the players right beside this guy. On a side note, I didn't hear any actions on injured player during the briefing before the game. And I got a video of all this too on my GoPro. Thoughts? TL;DR: a player was injured and I called no duff to assist him, wound up getting shot at for a long time before people realized what was going on.

April 2nd, 2018, 15:14	#2
nardac Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: London	I was at the top of hill and saw you run to his aid. I didn't see what happened, as I had just come around building. Once guys heard "no duff" at top of hill it got echoed back, some knew what it meant, others did not. I also then heard "cease fire". I don't recall "no duff" covered in the safety brief, I'd suggest bringing it up to Hamish and the staff. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/tacticalairsoftgaminglondon/

April 2nd, 2018, 18:03	#8
Desmodus Mexifaggot Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	No Duff has always been the standard at any game I've gone to. Shitty that it took so long for everyone to stop shooting. I hope the injured player is okay! __________________ Guardians of Asgaard - KF25 - Primaries: LCT AK74MN w/SKTBR, VFC M4 SOPMOD Block 2 Secondary: Latino heat, TM Glock 17

April 2nd, 2018, 15:41	#3
hamishflagswipe Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: London, Ontario	Something we can certainly do going forward. I'll have our staff add it to the rules going forward. Thanks for coming out on sunday!

April 2nd, 2018, 15:47	#4
shonit123 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: BC	No Duff seems to be more of a thing CF side, i've only ever heard Cease fire for airsofting, seems like it would make more sense anyways for the average person.

April 2nd, 2018, 16:30	#6
Ourindar Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Nova Scotia	It's still in use in Nova Scotia. NSA has it in their waivers/rules docs and ICBA (my 'home' org) has it in ours as well. It's something we generally explain to new people. Seems to me like a communication failure somewhere, though I think most people would stop shooting on most fields seeing someone injured or cross the field with hands up yelling something.

April 2nd, 2018, 17:35	#7
RainyEyes Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Scarbororororough	We use something similar at siege as well. I doubt it's common knowledge for some of the newbies though if they've never heard of it. But from context when you see someone on the floor you'd thing people could "read the room" and know to stop shooting.

April 2nd, 2018, 18:05	#10
leth1337 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: York Region, Ontario	the community is dropping the ball assuming new players and new hosts are learning the things we've all come to think are common sense. no duff has always been a thing at any event i've been to but the hosts made sure to include it in the safety briefing or at the very least having their own version __________________ WHISKEY-13

April 3rd, 2018, 02:29	#14
Kungpow Trader rating Join Date: May 2013 Location: BC	I am guessing "No Duff" is an established term on some fields. Ceasefire is almost a no brainer. Perhaps the players that were still playing/shooting were doing so because they saw others still shooting and playing. 3 whistle blows, or air horn blows should be able to stop the game too. __________________ Current Airsoft Guns: TM Glock 18 "Upgraded" AGM M4A1 GBBR "Upgraded" King Arms M4A1 GBBR

April 3rd, 2018, 16:48	#15
bomber439 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Red Deer, AB	"No Duff" is in use at our field. It is in our rule book and is covered during briefing. The message is passed on by voice yelling and radios. Players are expected to make safe, stop all movement, keep radio silence and await further instructions. __________________ Your media induced paranoia is interfering with my freedom. Aging is a disease and everyone has it. A pandemic for which there is no vaccine. And, if you live long enough, it will kill you.

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