Motor Recommendation – High-Speed or High-Torque

[Pointy]

Hello

I have recently replaced my gearbox with a new Lonex Unit (standard gear ratio (18:1), SP120 Spring, aluminum ported piston head c/w bearing, red piston) and feel that my stock ‘grey’ motor is having issues pulling the spring and looking to upgrade. Battery is a 7.4VDC LiPo 25C 1200mAh.

Not looking for higher RPS, just something dependable.

Not sure if I should be looking for a High-Torque or High-Speed motor? I am guessing a High-Torque motor to ensure no pre-engagement of the piston and increased trigger response?

For High-Torque have been looking at;

• Lonex A2 Infinite Torque-Up Motor
• Tokyo Marui EG1000 Motor
• Guarder Infinite Torque-Up Motor

I have seen other threads discussing motor upgrades, and sorry for another motor thread, but looking for a specific recommendation.

[m102404]

I'd always choose a High Torque over High Speed...but a lot of solid motors now usually do more than well enough at both.

The three you listed are all good motors...I like the "plain old" G&P M120 motors as well, good bang for buck

[K3vX]

Any torque motor using neodymium magnets will have all the speed you could ever need. And they have better trigger response, which is always sweet.

I'll add something:

To prevent pre-engagement, the motor has little to do with it. It is still possible to get pre-engagement with a torque motor. You don't want the motor to turn slow, you want to piston to come back into ready position as fast as he can.

One step is to lighten the piston assembly. The lonex red piston is already heavy by itself, with the bearings it's worse. If you have a bearing spring guide, feel free to remove them from the piston assembly, as they are not needed (they don't hurt, too. But they add weight).

Now, I don't say you *will* get premature engagement with a 7.4v battery and standard gears. What I'm saying is that it could happen with a strong motor, even a "torque" one.

[Stealth]

The EG1000 does not belong on that list.

The Lonex A1 and A2 will be fine for your purposes, the Guarder ITU is not a bad choice as well but it's not as fast or as torque-y as the other 2.

[Spike]

The Guarder motor is very nice. I run one in my Stoner 63.

Another awesome option to look at would be the SHS high torque motors. They're cheap and kick all sorts of ass. Pairing one with standard ratio gears and a 7.4v lipo should put you in the 18-22rps ballpark.

The EG1000 is no longer a relevant motor, they're nice, but they're not neo magnet motors and are not even close to being worth the price.

You shouldn't get much if any pre engagement on that set up, but as already mentioned, the lonex pistons are quite heavy. If you feel so inclined, remove the bearings from the piston head, and swiss cheese the piston. That paired with a 120 spring and you won't have any problems.

[Stealth]

I wonder what kind of amps the SHS HT motors pulls, it's been a while since I've owned one...

[Spike]

~19 on an otherwise stock gun.

[Rabbit]

ZCI has produced a new neo high torque/speed motor - who knows if its on par with Lonex's neos but judging by some of their other products in the ZCI line up I say hells no.

http://www.airrattle.com/ZCI-High-To...zci-ht-sht.htm

My personal favs are the SHS and Element high speeds.

[Pointy]

Seems like High-torque is the way to go..

Leaning towards Lonex A1 or A2, as I have read good things about them all over.

Any thoughts/opinions on a Tienly F5000 motor?

[pestobanana]

Lonex over guarder itu. Lonex seems to have more speed and torque. Just hope you don't get one from a shitty batch with terrible brushes and pinions.

[Pointy]

Can across the below in my Google searching;

http://www.lonex.com.tw/all%20images...motor-word.pdf

For a 120 spring;

A1, A2 and A4 – Possible
A3 and A5 - Recommended

[pestobanana]

That sheet is BS basically. I'm running the A1 in 2 guns right now, one with a M100 and the other with a M120 and both are fine.

Originally Posted by Pointy

Can across the below in my Google searching;

http://www.lonex.com.tw/all%20images...motor-word.pdf

For a 120 spring;

A1, A2 and A4 – Possible
A3 and A5 - Recommended

[Stealth]

I'm going to be blunt and say that you're not exploring the full potential of that mechbox with a 7.4v battery. Try an 11.1v with your current motor and I can guarantee you that you won't feel the need for a motor upgrade.

If and when you get sick of the trigger response on that setup, then you can move up to a A1 or A2 motor and really start tearing it up.

[Pointy]

Originally Posted by Stealth

I'm going to be blunt and say that you're not exploring the full potential of that mechbox with a 7.4v battery. Try an 11.1v with your current motor and I can guarantee you that you won't feel the need for a motor upgrade.

If and when you get sick of the trigger response on that setup, then you can move up to a A1 or A2 motor and really start tearing it up.

Without modifying the piston and/or piston head will pre-engagement be an issue with using a 11.1V LiPo?

[coach]

Are you even getting pre-engagement with your current setup?


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