551 on P90 elevation issues!

[Jimsbeanz]

So i recently got my hands on a KA P90 and mounted my eotech 551 on it but when i tried to adjust the elevation to match where my shots were going i couldn't depress the reticle down far enough!

Tried turning the hop up all the way up yet i still had to aim a fair bit higher than the sights position to hit what i wanted

The rail does sit quite high up from the barrel. Is there a way to get my reticle depressed more or do i just need to get another RDS to be able to zero my shots?

[lurkingknight]

height over bore. it's a p90.. you have to live with it.

[Zack The Ripper]

Just gotta deal with that aspect man, EOTechs are already raised simply by their base. That added with the rail riser on the P90 and you get your problem. Better off with a standard reflex sight or something similar.

[-=ArchAngel=-]

Originally Posted by Jimsbeanz

So i recently got my hands on a KA P90 and mounted my eotech 551 on it but when i tried to adjust the elevation to match where my shots were going i couldn't depress the reticle down far enough!

Tried turning the hop up all the way up yet i still had to aim a fair bit higher than the sights position to hit what i wanted

The rail does sit quite high up from the barrel. Is there a way to get my reticle depressed more or do i just need to get another RDS to be able to zero my shots?

From how far away are you trying to zero your gun?
As lurkingknight said, its a height over bore issue. Its just the nature of the weapon's sights and happens when you are shooting at a target in very close range. The aiming technique often used to adjust to this is called a "hold over". Basically, you aim high to make up for the physical limitations of the sight.

The only other option i see is either new sight that sits lower or an angled rail.

[lurkingknight]

this is why the tm/ca/e1 tri-rail is nice, the height over bore is not as bad, but it's still about 3-4 inches from any illuminated optic, whereas the KA p90 is built off the red dot receiver with a mounted rail on top of it. I've had my tri-rail p90 for almost 3 years now and sometimes I STILL shoot the cover in front of me.

[Hectic]

You could try putting a lil spacer on the rear of the eotech (ie some tape or a bit of plastic to let the sight sit a lil higher in the back)
It probably wont fix the issue completely with how high the sight sits but it could really reduce your hold over. Even a cpl mm hight in the back will work out to a foot or more at range.

[Jimsbeanz]

i'm trying to get it zeroed for CQB ranges so around 50-80 feet i guess.

Currently my p90 looks like this, with the 551 sitting very high up



so getting a docter might help reduce the height over bore problems?

[Danke]

An Aimpoint T-1 is pretty good on a P90 but for sure drop that lame rail riser setup and either run the stock optic or a tri-rail upper with a small red dot.

[lurkingknight]

that's the way the KA p90 comes.. it has no optic, just the super tall rail.

[Danke]

Lame!

[ThunderCactus]

at 50-80ft, just make it shoot 4" above center and get a true zero
Because if you zero it right to the dot, and you go out and try to shoot someone at 120ft you'll be shooting above or in the head.

[Jimsbeanz]

Well on my way home i dropped by a surplus store and picked up a docter mini for $45



The mini rds works great i can zero in np @ 100ft and elevation isn't an issue, only problem is the screws for adjusting windage and elevation air are apparently made of butter!!

I looked at the G&P mini rds http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=37042 which seems pretty sturdy so I might pick one up from evike or RW since i can't find a canadian store that stocks them. Hopefully the G&P turns out to be more sturdy.

[lurkingknight]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

at 50-80ft, just make it shoot 4" above center and get a true zero
Because if you zero it right to the dot, and you go out and try to shoot someone at 120ft you'll be shooting above or in the head.

someone who actually does realsteel shooting should do a thread on how to sight in pertaining to airsoft... I'd do it but I don't shoot and I don't understand enough about optics and terminology to be 100% accurate... but your comment touches on a subject that many people don't know how to properly work with or around.. .too often I see people trying to hop to their sights rather than sight to their propper hopped setting, whether it involves convergence or hold over issues but not properly sighting in an optic or having an improper convergence can put shots into areas where one might not want to shoot.

[ThunderCactus]

pffff airsoft sighting is easy!
step 1 - adjust your hop where you want it at max range
step 2 - adjust your sight all the way to the left and all the way up lol

[Zack The Ripper]

Easiest way to do it if you have a front sight post is to center the reticle horizontally on the front sight post. You then center your reticle vertically once you dial your hop up in like Thunder Cactus has said. I use a pop can at about 80ft that way I have a very audible *ting* to know I am on target.

If you have no front sight post, use a tooth pick. By this I mean find the center of your barrel's bore and place the toothpick vertically at this center and make sure its high enough that it is in your sight picture (doesn't have to be up to where you do is, just high enough to see in the lens). You then adjust the same way horizontally as you would with a front sight post sitting low in the sight picture. Once its centered you proceed to adjust the hop up accordingly. For this process you don't even need to fire the gun, so taping the tooth pick in place over the muzzle is not an issue (an old MacGuyver trick).

If you are still shooting left/right of your target, have a friend stand downrange to spot you and tell you if you are shooting left/right/high/low and make adjustments accordingly. This is what I do every time just for extra assurance. Its not dangerous to do this as these are BBs, not high velocity rounds, so as long as he/she has eye pro on they can stand literally a few feet from your target to get a good sighting on where your rounds are landing.

Sounds complicated, its really not.