Looking for a CQB rifle.

MMatersk · October 14th, 2012, 14:40

Like the title states looking at all options.

So far im considering these:

G&G- MP5 Sd6 Max
Echo1- MTC 3
VFC-Quake M4 (had one sold it)
G&G- MP5 SD5 max

Any suggestions or recommendation would be great.

Regards

JerryMcGoulBerry · October 14th, 2012, 14:55

UMPs are my favorite for CQB. never owned one, but I've try them a couple of times. the real steal one is made of plastic, so it's super light. The MTC isn't a CQB rifle. and I would go for the MP5 with a full stock. battery space can be really frustrating.

Strelok · October 14th, 2012, 14:58

You could very well go for an MP5k PDW, they are fun little numbers. Just need stick batteries, or a lipo.

Avoid anything with a fixed full stock. They make things really awkward when taking corners.

Disco_Dante · October 14th, 2012, 15:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strelok

Avoid anything with a fixed full stock. They make things really awkward when taking corners.

I have long arms but even still with armour on using an MP5 with a full stock is really awkward even outside of CQB, so I'd recommend against that as well.

Zack The Ripper · October 14th, 2012, 15:20

You should go with a gas or electric MP7, PDW, or an AK74U version. Best 3 small autos in my opinion. If you want something to go with your bad ass setup there Mike, go with the gas MP7. Sounds and feels wicked. Scares the shit out of a lot of people too. For a gas gun it's on the more inexpensive side as well, but if you don't want the gas version, the AEG versions are still a good pick. P90s are cool, but trying to get good mags at a decent price for them is a pain in the ass.

p.phresh · October 14th, 2012, 15:50

consider your environment when you plan to use gas.

the colder the environment the less performance you're going to have with gas.

Our local indoor arena isn't heated so gas guns don't perform as well as they should during the colder months. You get the best consistency using an electric gun.

Although if you ask me my opinion, a pistol is one of the best to use in CQB situations, they have the highest mobility, but you are restricted to ammo capacity. But you can generally move faster than the guys using long rifles or SMGs.

If you plan to forego gas pistols and go electric I think the next best option is to go with a short AEG. I'd go with a short custom M4 with a 6 inch barrel/RIS and a crane stock for your battery, or a buffer tube battery. Build it from a plastic body to make it even lighter and more maneuverable. The battery in the rear of the gun will be more balanced than having a PEQ or battery in the grip.

MMatersk · October 14th, 2012, 16:46

This gun will be AEG. I was considering GBBr but I want to use this gun outdoors throughout the year. Since winter is fast approaching ill be doing more indoor play. MP7 ill check it out. Thanks for the input everyone.

JLiang · October 14th, 2012, 16:53

Bullpups can also be an option, if you can get used to them. I personally use a FAMAS in and out of CQC, and it works like a charm. The long barrel but compact size factor makes it ideal for both worlds.

TAR-21, AUG, FNF2000, P90, FAMAS, QBZ-95/7-A/B, etc. are all great options for a bridge between the two worlds.

MMatersk · October 15th, 2012, 21:05

So I've decided between these two choices:

VFC mk 18 mod 1
VFC HK 416

What is the verdict?

Zack The Ripper · October 15th, 2012, 21:08

416 is essentially an improved version of the M4. It's still a little long for CQB. Go with the MK18. Similar to the 416, but a smaller body and thus more compact. Looks pretty bad ass as well.

Even though Mike here wants an AEG, just gonna make a note on the GBB in cold weather; you can use any gas gun in the cold weather, but instead of using propane you need to use propylene. Works very well between 2-15 degrees celcius. Can't use propylene after about 19-20 degrees though as it's like using propane in 30+ weather.

AngelusNex · October 15th, 2012, 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMatersk

So I've decided between these two choices:

VFC mk 18 mod 1
VFC HK 416

What is the verdict?

Same size. 416 has more mass due to the taller body/rail but other than that same size. Just decide which you like the look of more.

Zack The Ripper · October 15th, 2012, 21:18

Just looking at the two online, definitely go with the MK18, looks way better. 416 is still a bad ass choice too, but this really caught my eye.

AngelusNex · October 15th, 2012, 21:21

they both have a 10.5" barrel 416 might look longer but they are the same length.

Zack The Ripper · October 15th, 2012, 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelusNex

they both have a 10.5" barrel 416 might look longer but they are the same length.

You are indeed correct, just checked the specs. 416 seems a little bulkier body wise though, maybe it's just me? I've never used the MK18 myself so I couldn't really say for certain.

Stealthee · October 15th, 2012, 21:34

The MK18 Mod1's RIS is a bit more lower profile IMO than the HK416 even though they are both the same length.

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October 14th, 2012, 14:40	#1
MMatersk Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mississauga	Looking for a CQB rifle. Like the title states looking at all options. So far im considering these: G&G- MP5 Sd6 Max Echo1- MTC 3 VFC-Quake M4 (had one sold it) G&G- MP5 SD5 max Any suggestions or recommendation would be great. Regards __________________ "Strength and Honour, Faith and Fury. In these four principles is Life defined and Victory achieved." https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bad-K...8&ref=bookmark

October 14th, 2012, 15:20	#5
Zack The Ripper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: CFB Shilo, MB	You should go with a gas or electric MP7, PDW, or an AK74U version. Best 3 small autos in my opinion. If you want something to go with your bad ass setup there Mike, go with the gas MP7. Sounds and feels wicked. Scares the shit out of a lot of people too. For a gas gun it's on the more inexpensive side as well, but if you don't want the gas version, the AEG versions are still a good pick. P90s are cool, but trying to get good mags at a decent price for them is a pain in the ass. __________________ Guardians of Asgaard

October 14th, 2012, 16:46	#7
MMatersk Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mississauga	This gun will be AEG. I was considering GBBr but I want to use this gun outdoors throughout the year. Since winter is fast approaching ill be doing more indoor play. MP7 ill check it out. Thanks for the input everyone. __________________ "Strength and Honour, Faith and Fury. In these four principles is Life defined and Victory achieved." https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bad-K...8&ref=bookmark

October 14th, 2012, 14:55	#2
JerryMcGoulBerry Trader rating Join Date: May 2012 Location: Calgary Alberta	UMPs are my favorite for CQB. never owned one, but I've try them a couple of times. the real steal one is made of plastic, so it's super light. The MTC isn't a CQB rifle. and I would go for the MP5 with a full stock. battery space can be really frustrating.

October 14th, 2012, 14:58	#3
Strelok Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Brandon Manitoba	You could very well go for an MP5k PDW, they are fun little numbers. Just need stick batteries, or a lipo. Avoid anything with a fixed full stock. They make things really awkward when taking corners.

October 14th, 2012, 15:50	#6
p.phresh Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Winnipeg, MB	consider your environment when you plan to use gas. the colder the environment the less performance you're going to have with gas. Our local indoor arena isn't heated so gas guns don't perform as well as they should during the colder months. You get the best consistency using an electric gun. Although if you ask me my opinion, a pistol is one of the best to use in CQB situations, they have the highest mobility, but you are restricted to ammo capacity. But you can generally move faster than the guys using long rifles or SMGs. If you plan to forego gas pistols and go electric I think the next best option is to go with a short AEG. I'd go with a short custom M4 with a 6 inch barrel/RIS and a crane stock for your battery, or a buffer tube battery. Build it from a plastic body to make it even lighter and more maneuverable. The battery in the rear of the gun will be more balanced than having a PEQ or battery in the grip.

October 14th, 2012, 16:53	#8
JLiang Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Waterloo, ON	Bullpups can also be an option, if you can get used to them. I personally use a FAMAS in and out of CQC, and it works like a charm. The long barrel but compact size factor makes it ideal for both worlds. TAR-21, AUG, FNF2000, P90, FAMAS, QBZ-95/7-A/B, etc. are all great options for a bridge between the two worlds. __________________ []]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ------)_'_\ * ( "----------\ * \ "-----------\_*_\

October 15th, 2012, 21:05	#9
MMatersk Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mississauga	So I've decided between these two choices: VFC mk 18 mod 1 VFC HK 416 What is the verdict? __________________ "Strength and Honour, Faith and Fury. In these four principles is Life defined and Victory achieved." https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bad-K...8&ref=bookmark

October 15th, 2012, 21:08	#10
Zack The Ripper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: CFB Shilo, MB	416 is essentially an improved version of the M4. It's still a little long for CQB. Go with the MK18. Similar to the 416, but a smaller body and thus more compact. Looks pretty bad ass as well. Even though Mike here wants an AEG, just gonna make a note on the GBB in cold weather; you can use any gas gun in the cold weather, but instead of using propane you need to use propylene. Works very well between 2-15 degrees celcius. Can't use propylene after about 19-20 degrees though as it's like using propane in 30+ weather. __________________ Guardians of Asgaard Last edited by Zack The Ripper; October 15th, 2012 at 21:13..

October 15th, 2012, 21:18	#12
Zack The Ripper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: CFB Shilo, MB	Just looking at the two online, definitely go with the MK18, looks way better. 416 is still a bad ass choice too, but this really caught my eye. __________________ Guardians of Asgaard

October 15th, 2012, 21:21	#13
AngelusNex formerly Sepulcrum Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kingston,ON, aka Funkasia	they both have a 10.5" barrel 416 might look longer but they are the same length.

October 15th, 2012, 21:34	#15
Stealthee a.k.a. cloaked Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Scarborough, ON	The MK18 Mod1's RIS is a bit more lower profile IMO than the HK416 even though they are both the same length.

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