Is the AIP HS50000 motor any good?

[yerfdoggnahc]

Recently, a friend of mine purchased this motor (I live in hong kong so it was about 35 USD) from a local store. Everything seemed good about this motor. There was enough torque and yet, the speed was pretty good. It managed to hit around 20-23 rps with a 1 joule spring and mostly SHS parts.

However, im not very experienced with these parts and Im not sure if it'll be worth it. Can someone with experience with this motor provide some input? Also, whats another high speed motor with similar price?

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by yerfdoggnahc

Recently, a friend of mine purchased this motor (I live in hong kong so it was about 35 USD) from a local store. Everything seemed good about this motor. There was enough torque and yet, the speed was pretty good. It managed to hit around 20-23 rps with a 1 joule spring and mostly SHS parts.

However, im not very experienced with these parts and Im not sure if it'll be worth it. Can someone with experience with this motor provide some input? Also, whats another high speed motor with similar price?

1J = 330fps with 0.2g @ 20-23 rps is quite slow to be pulling that spring.

What battery are you running and what ratio gears? My ferrous-magnet EG1000 pulling an 400fps spring can do 22rps with 18:1 standard-ratio gears on an 11.1v 15C lipo.

There are many motors at that pricepoint worth checking out that can clock better performance numbers than what you had quoted. I've been having good performance with the X High Tech, SHS and Lonex motors. Lonex is a bit out of your price range but it's bulletproof. The pinion gear is one of the hardest I've seen so far as well.

Having said all that, does your mechbox have the supporting mods ready for > 25rps??

[yerfdoggnahc]

Originally Posted by Stealth

1J = 330fps with 0.2g @ 20-23 rps is quite slow to be pulling that spring.

What battery are you running and what ratio gears? My ferrous-magnet EG1000 pulling an 400fps spring can do 22rps with 18:1 standard-ratio gears on an 11.1v 15C lipo.

There are many motors at that pricepoint worth checking out that can clock better performance numbers than what you had quoted. I've been having good performance with the X High Tech, SHS and Lonex motors. Lonex is a bit out of your price range but it's bulletproof. The pinion gear is one of the hardest I've seen so far as well.

Having said all that, does your mechbox have the supporting mods ready for > 25rps??

I helped my friend choose the parts, I believe this was his set-up:

SHS swiss cheesed full metal rack piston (marui piston head)
SHS 18:1 gears
M100 spring (brand unknown)
AIP HS50000 motor
G&P cylinder
G&P steel spring guide

Everything else was stock marui (Its a 10 year old SR-16!!!!). Though, a 16awg copper wire (tamiya) was installed because the old wire had burnt its fuse.

So the SHS motor would probably perform better than the AIP? If I had 200USD to spend on internals, what do u recommend?

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by yerfdoggnahc

I helped my friend choose the parts, I believe this was his set-up:

SHS swiss cheesed full metal rack piston (marui piston head)
SHS 18:1 gears
M100 spring (brand unknown)
AIP HS50000 motor
G&P cylinder
G&P steel spring guide

Everything else was stock marui (Its a 10 year old SR-16!!!!). Though, a 16awg copper wire (tamiya) was installed because the old wire had burnt its fuse.

So the SHS motor would probably perform better than the AIP? If I had 200USD to spend on internals, what do u recommend?

I don't think the wiring is a bottleneck, although putting a Deans plug on it wouldn't hurt. I usually only upgrade the wiring to get that last little bit of efficiency out of the system.

For me to make a recommendation, I have to know what your performance goals are. Do you want to keep the existing spring? Do you just want high rate of fire?

[yerfdoggnahc]

Originally Posted by Stealth

I don't think the wiring is a bottleneck, although putting a Deans plug on it wouldn't hurt. I usually only upgrade the wiring to get that last little bit of efficiency out of the system.

For me to make a recommendation, I have to know what your performance goals are. Do you want to keep the existing spring? Do you just want high rate of fire?

I want around 25+ RPS and preferably 350+ fps.... the safest option possible haha. But with my low budget, im not sure if i can reach these numbers

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by yerfdoggnahc

I want around 25+ RPS and preferably 350+ fps.... the safest option possible haha. But with my low budget, im not sure if i can reach these numbers

With budget in mind (should be less than $60 for these)
SHS high-speed motor
upgrade spring to M110
Run these off a 7.4V 25C lipo


If budget is not a concern (roughly $100 for the parts below)
Lonex red or orange motor
upgrade spring to M110
Lonex 16:1 gears
Run off the same battery as above - you'll get a much faster ROF and the setup will last much longer (if tuned/installed correctly). Theoretically it should put you around the 30rps mark.

$200 USD on internals is a lot to spend, I can put together a pretty baller mechbox for that. . .

[ThunderCactus]

Your trigger is a bottleneck. If you want to achieve any efficiency or speed, you should definitely upgrade to a MOSFET switch

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Your trigger is a bottleneck. If you want to achieve any efficiency or speed, you should definitely upgrade to a MOSFET switch

+1 yes that.

If space is not a concern that would also free up some performance.

[yerfdoggnahc]

Originally Posted by Stealth

+1 yes that.

If space is not a concern that would also free up some performance.

Alright, thank you for you kind help!

So this is what Im gonna use:

SHS full rack metal piston
SHS 16:1 gears
SHS high speed motor
M110 spring
King Kong burst wizard mosfet (I met him before in a game in hk)
Hot power 7.4V lipo
16awg/ deans
G&P Cylinder + piston head


I can't upgrade the hop-up because it still uses the old 2000s marui design. Hopefully, I will get to my desired fps + rps.

[iKliiu]

Try using a Torque motor if you are using speed gears, it creates the best efficiency. SHS motors have pretty bad QC, so if you feel lucky go for it.

[ThunderCactus]

NO
The burst wizard isn't a MOSFET switch, it's just a board that allows for unreliable burst!

You're rewiring the gun anyway, put an actual MOSFET switch in there. Not an SW-COMP, not a plug and play anything, just a simple MOSFET switch.

The whole purpose of installing a MOSFET switch is to bypass your mechanical trigger switch. The burst wizard still puts 100% of the current going to the motor through your mechanical switch, so there's no advantage to having it.

[yerfdoggnahc]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

NO
The burst wizard isn't a MOSFET switch, it's just a board that allows for unreliable burst!

You're rewiring the gun anyway, put an actual MOSFET switch in there. Not an SW-COMP, not a plug and play anything, just a simple MOSFET switch.

The whole purpose of installing a MOSFET switch is to bypass your mechanical trigger switch. The burst wizard still puts 100% of the current going to the motor through your mechanical switch, so there's no advantage to having it.

or mosfets that important? Ive ran a lot of other guns without a mosfet and they all worked fine

[ThunderCactus]

That's because you don't know how it works lol
It seriously reduces the amount of resistance in the electrical circuit, increasing your ROF, and increasing battery life.
It also solves the problem of trigger arcing with higher voltage batteries
If you're upgrading the whole wiring harness anyway, it doesn't make sense NOT to install a MOSFET switch.
You're upgrading the wires to reduce resistance, well the MOSFET reduces over 20x more resistance than a new wiring harness just by bypassing your trigger switch.

[MaciekA]

+1 to all the fine experts above, installing a MOSFET and more beefy connectors usually yields an awesome improvement in overall responsiveness and load capacity. Your mission at all times is to feed as much juice to your motor as it asks for. Given that some of the nicest and most durable MOSFETs on the market are dirt cheap and easy to install (you absolutely don't need to go with the Raptor), it's an easy decision.

[yerfdoggnahc]

Alright, thank you all for your help !