Dual sector gear...

[kelseymuhle]

Just wondering if anyone has installed a dual sector gear on there gun??
If you have how did it go and does it work well?? Any over all thoughts??

[ThunderCactus]

unnecessary.

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by kelseymuhle

Just wondering if anyone has installed a dual sector gear on there gun??
If you have how did it go and does it work well?? Any over all thoughts??

It works well if installed and tuned correctly and paired with the proper supporting mods like a completely lightened piston assembly, polished mechbox rails, polished, reinforced tappet plate, etc.

To be honest, it's a bit gimmicky but quite impressive.
Do you need over 40rounds per second?

[L473ncy]

Are we talking about the Modify Quantum Gearset here? IIRC You have to get a complete Quantum Gearset or your gears will shred as well as buy a Quantum Piston or the piston teeth will get chewed up.

[durak]

Every time I installed one, it ended up tearing apart the mechbox. The piston shreds if its not full metal teeth, the gears shred if they arent perfectly shimed, the mechbox can crack if its not reinforced if your running it so the gun shoots 380+ FPS.

they half stroke the piston, so if you want the gun to shoot in the 380 FPS area, you need an M170 spring or so. the force from that can crack the front of your mechbox, cause your gears to fail, strip a pinion, or burn out a motor.

gaming guns that are 40+ RPS isnt feisable, its very difficult to find mags that will feed that fast. Even if your doing a short burst at someone its still 10+ bbs.q

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Stealth

Do you need over 40rounds per second?

No one needs that.

[lurkingknight]

The DSG builds I read about are usually 160ish springs short stroked to shoot about 320-340... they're used as cqb weapons mainly in the states or just bragging rights/advertising among the elite gundocs on asm... lots of supporting modification has to be done to the guns, everything has to be perfect inside the mechbox, including lightening pistons and epoxying the piston rack to the piston, mosfet, sorbothane, the absolute perfect shimming and the right motor. Not to mention the proper dsg gearset that won't implode... which would be riotSC gears.

You can get a standard sector gear up to pretty insane rates of fire ( was just reading of a 58rps single stroke build), do you need it? no...

DSG will get you 40+, and above 60 you feeding becomes an issue. I would say even at 50 most mags will not feed.

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by lurkingknight

The DSG builds I read about are usually 160ish springs short stroked to shoot about 320-340... they're used as cqb weapons mainly in the states or just bragging rights/advertising among the elite gundocs on asm... lots of supporting modification has to be done to the guns, everything has to be perfect inside the mechbox, including lightening pistons and epoxying the piston rack to the piston, mosfet, sorbothane, the absolute perfect shimming and the right motor. Not to mention the proper dsg gearset that won't implode... which would be riotSC gears.

You can get a standard sector gear up to pretty insane rates of fire ( was just reading of a 58rps single stroke build), do you need it? no...

DSG will get you 40+, and above 60 you feeding becomes an issue. I would say even at 50 most mags will not feed.

Well-put. I should also mention that proper tuning is REQUIRED for ANY setup (single or double stroke) that pushes over 35 rps. High ROF, just like high FPS setups aren't Lego builds. You can't just throw money at parts and expect them to work properly.

Case in point: A buddy of mine busted open a Modify mechbox shell running an M160 because he didn't radius his cylinder walls nor install a sorbo.

[ThunderCactus]

the box mag on my 249, powered by a 9v battery, has trouble feeding above 1200rpm
Had to hook it directly to an 11.1v lipo to get it to feed at 1500rpm

[iKliiu]

DSGs aren't even need unless you want 50 RPS+. You can easily achieve 40 RPS with a single sector gear.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by Stealth

It works well if installed and tuned correctly and paired with the proper supporting mods like a completely lightened piston assembly, polished mechbox rails, polished, reinforced tappet plate, etc.

To be honest, it's a bit gimmicky but quite impressive.
Do you need over 40rounds per second?

Only 40????

70-80... full mag one second if it can feed fast enough. i've done a couple of Siegetek dual sector gear. It's pretty cool but the novelty wears out pretty quick.

[kelseymuhle]

Thank you for all the information!!! Much appreciated !!!

[MaciekA]

A round of +1s to all the posts above, I'll add some thoughts to this.

DSG Master is the badge you want to add to your collection of badges after you've pretty much become the master of everything else in your mechbox, and no sooner. Volume matching, shock absorption, stable and ample power delivery from battery->motor->gears->spring, shimming to absolute perfection, and my personal favourite badge of them all, "Friend to all Pistons".

I also agree with the couple posts above, 40rps can be done with standard sector gears fairly easily (with high speed neos and powerful batteries you can practically achieve this unintentionally). You want to only use a DSG once you've exhausted other options in a given high speed setup. Sticking M160 and M170 springs willy nilly into gearboxes is not only hard on your mechbox as Stealth mentions above, but also damned annoying to get in and out of without shooting your eye out during assembly

All that said, I can think of a couple unique applications of extreme high speed setups that aren't normally mentioned when everybody is fretting about "whether anyone needs 40rps" ... mainly setups that have ridiculously snappy trigger response or ones where you've limited (through software) your gun to triple round bursts. A DSG setup firing 50-60 rounds per second limited to triple round burst and semi only sounds awesome to me.

[lurkingknight]

that is true, I never want to be on the business end of a DSG... you know there's at least 2 coming at you.. and most burst fire with them to spray an area.. so you know a shitload of BBs are coming at you with the sound of the gnome farts.

[kelseymuhle]

Up date, install of dsg complete, works amazing, only 2 real down sides, one I have gone with a 130 spring, so it is only achieving 310 fps( not a huge issue). And issue 2 well I have dropped down to 9.6v nicad for a temporary fix for my mag not bein able to keep up!! But I may have a solution for that one as well brewing....