Looking for info on Magpul Masada PTS

[Eeyore]

I am interested in the Magpul PTS Masada, I have the A&K version but the Magpul one caught my eye. First of all who makes it? Secondly is the gear box propriatary, is it just a modified V2 or is it completely different? Are there replacment parts available for it, I don't mean a cqb barrel but hop up units and such.


Thank you.

[spartan117]

Originally Posted by Eeyore

I am interested in the Magpul PTS Masada, I have the A&K version but the Magpul one caught my eye. First of all who makes it? Secondly is the gear box propriatary, is it just a modified V2 or is it completely different? Are there replacment parts available for it, I don't mean a cqb barrel but hop up units and such.


Thank you.

The Gearbox is uses a proprietary gear box shell but everything inside should be the same as a Version 2. Many people speculate that the internals are OEM by ARES since it uses a quick spring feature and a micro trigger switch just like an ARES gearbox. The hop up unit is proprietary but it seems really solid to me and functions well(just be sure the hop up is all the way off before you use the quick barrel swap feature). Hop up bucking wise,the guarder clear hop up bucking works best. I believe "Snoopy" on arnies has tried it and is getting amazing results with it. The stock gearbox shoots around 330-350 FPS. The motor is housed in a motor cage similar to the V3 gearboxes. From the looks of it, it looks to be a short motor and the connections are soldered and not motor wire clips.

Here's a brief vid on the internals:
YouTube - Airsoft GI - Inside Look at the Magpul Masada


As for externals, the mag release, bolt release, the hand guard, lower receiver, and stock are made of dupont polymer. The upper receiver is CNC 6061 alluminum and is painted (not anodized like Magpul PTS advertises....bummer). The selector switch is alluminum as well. From factory the ACR comes with a fixed stock with a rubberized buttpad for comfort. It also features an adjustable cheek well. I personally installed the adjustable folding stock on mine and is very solid with an integrated locking feature on the hinge meaning there is no hook or catch on the side of the receiver to lock the stock in place wen folded(fits with no modification...however some people have reported the opposite).

A couple things you will need to know:
- there are reports that the barrel assembly is wobbly when you remove it and put it back on and that the locking swivel needs to be rotated MORE each time to tighten the barrel. IF that happens you need to get shims for your ACR( i believe that they have fixed this problem though)
- The selector switch sometimes jams because the screw that tightens it to the gear cams have loosened. TO fix this you need to remove the gearbox and add some locktite on the screw to prevent from happenening in the near future
- The barrel thread is CW not CCW.

That is all. I think. Hope this helps.

[Eeyore]

Can you verify that it does have a quick change spring feature please?

[spartan117]

Originally Posted by Eeyore

Can you verify that it does have a quick change spring feature please?

yes it does...... You're welcome :P

[Eeyore]

Thank you. Anybody know if you can buy an Ares gearbox so I can put it into my A&K and have the quick spring change?

[Eien]

Originally Posted by Eeyore

Thank you. Anybody know if you can buy an Ares gearbox so I can put it into my A&K and have the quick spring change?

I doubt you can buy a ARES gearbox seperate but I believe there was some similar over rsov or ebaybanned or something along the lines.

[Eeyore]

Basically what I really want is the Magpul Masada PTS gearbox inside my A&K Masada. Thats the reason I was trying to find out who the OEM was so I could source one.

[EagleDriver]

Well S&T makes ARES guns, but I didn't see the ACR in any of their news releases, so if they do make it, they are keeping it really under wraps. I don't know for sure, but I think they were formed when Star and Ares had a parting of ways.

[spartan117]

Originally Posted by Eeyore

Basically what I really want is the Magpul Masada PTS gearbox inside my A&K Masada. Thats the reason I was trying to find out who the OEM was so I could source one.

You can't. The size of the custom v2/v3 gearbox for the PTS masada has different if not larger dimensions and thicker than an ordinary V2 or V3 gearbox.

[ACRdude]

Where do you buy this gun in Canada

[R.I.T.Z]

Originally Posted by ACRdude

Where do you buy this gun in Canada

HERE

but first you need this
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=11474

AKA



WE CANNOT TELL UNVERIFIED MEMBERS WHERE TO BUY GUNS PERIOD ITS A RULE OF THIS WEBSITE DEAL WITH IT
Posting the same question over and over in multiple threads will NOT yield another answer

[THe_Silencer]

I talked to a guy on the Gasguns forums about the Magpul ACR and he sent me a Pm about why he hates it so much. I can't confirm if all of this is true but it sounds legit enough:

Re: ACR Bad
Sent: 13 Feb 2011, 00:50
From: Dynamo1RPC
To: the_silencer

here's a brake down of the problems and what i have repaired.

i'll work my way to the gearbox from the outside in.

1: upper receiver is painted. they claim it's anodized and indeed it is, but only to level 1. looking at the inside surface, you can scrape the anodized surface off with a finger nail. same goes for the paint on the exterior of the receiver.

2: the trunnion is made of cast zing/aluminum alloy, and painted gray. the barrel flexes too easily.

3: the front flip-up sight is not used in the production version of the ACR, it was only in the prototype and dropped for better sights.

4: the inner barrel is cheaply made, the outside surface is rough and not uniform in diameter.

5: hop-up C clip that holds the inner barrel from rotating or moving forwards of back is made of plastic and came already broken. all it has to keep the barrel from moving is a tiny 2x3 mm tab on the C clip.

6: the proprietary nozzle is made up of two cast plastic halves and is warped. the nozzle fits onto the cylinder head really loose and doesn't seal well if at all.

7: they use a silicone based hop-up sleeve. using silicon oil anywhere would cause the sleeve to swell. (sleeve came already over saturated and swollen.)

8: the gear box shell is proprietary.

9: they use lock washers on the screws, when the screws used are countersink head screws. (there's plenty of room to use torx bolts)

10: the cylinder head is cheap plastic, and it's warped really bad. horrible air seal.

11: the piston is also cheap plastic, and the metal tooth is not the same specs as other manufacturers. the piston tooth has dug two nice deep gouges along the inside surface of the cylinder. (was only noticed after trying to find why there was so much metal filings inside the gearbox. the whole gear box was de-greased to remove all the filings.

12: the sector gear was out of spec. the diameter is .02 larger than any other manufacturer, which in conjunction with the larger piston tooth, caused the piston to get wedged between the sector gear and the upper wall of the gearbox. completely ceasing. (after removing the motor and releasing the anti reverse latch, a hammer was needed to knock the piston forward.)

13: the spur gear was warped, like a vinyl record left in the hot sun for a few hours. which indicates a really poor tempering job.

14: the bevel gear was out of spec. the hight along its axis was larger than any bevel gear i ever tried. it didn't have any shims on it as nothing could fit.

15: trigger & switch assembly - interesting design, but flawed execution. the switch used looses connectivity when the gearbox cycles due to vibration and shock forces from the slamming piston rattling the internals of the switch. this caused the gun to hick-up while firing in full auto and semi.

16: motor and motor cage - when operating the electrical terminals of the motor contact the motor cage. the cage it self does a shit job of preventing the motor from rotating. so there is arcing that shorts out the motor.


i have replaced all the gears, bushings/bearings and shimmed them.

the piston and cylinder along with the cylinder head have also been replaced. piston no longer ceases, and the air seal is great.
i also threw out the plastic proprietary nozzle and made a new one out of a solid piece of 6061 T6 aluminum. fits on the new cylinder head perfectly and seals completely.

replaced the original motor with a G&P motor until a new one arrives. the trigger switch issue has yet to be solved, but i have some replacements on the way. if these new switches don't solve the contact issue, i might have to re-engineer the trigger assembly to use a tact switch. bypassing the switch, the gun cycles perfectly with the new parts.

i have yet to repair/ replace the barrel C clip. might have to make one out of brass of aluminum and secure the barrel with grub screws.
going to replace the stock inner barrel with a 6.03 mm tight bore barrel from Prometheus.


so far the way i would rate the MAGPUL PTS ACR would be as follows.

aesthetics - 7/10 yea, it looks like an ACR.

exterior build quality - 6/10 fucking painted when it should be anodized.

reliability - 3/10 did not work right out of the box.

internal parts - 1/10 seen better quality parts in first gen JingGong clones.

cost 2/10 for what you are paying, this gun is a piece of shit. cost almost double that of other guns and has probability the worst internals i have ever had the displeasure to work on.

overall i rate it 38% out of 100. there are far better AEGs that cost half as much and would last ten times as long as this scam of a gun.

Also, if you want a QD gearbox, get this: http://www.khmountain.com/airsoft/pr...oducts_id=2351 It appears to be a clone of Ares/Star so you will prolly need to modify the receiver to fit.

[Strelok]

Originally Posted by ACRdude

Where do you buy this gun in Canada

We told you in your previous thread. You find them here, proving yourself being 18+ and buying through the classifieds.

No fucking exceptions.

[Dynamo]

Originally Posted by THe_Silencer

I talked to a guy on the Gasguns forums about the Magpul ACR and he sent me a Pm about why he hates it so much. I can't confirm if all of this is true but it sounds legit enough:

Also, if you want a QD gearbox, get this: http://www.khmountain.com/airsoft/pr...oducts_id=2351 It appears to be a clone of Ares/Star so you will prolly need to modify the receiver to fit.

that would be me.

the ACR belongs to my teammate ScatterShot.

been working on this ACR for the past month now, trying to figure out how to get around the switch issue. i was able to fit a regular M4 switch assembly after some extensive mods and swapping out the trigger for a standard M4 trigger.

to say this gun is disappointing is an understatement, i shake my head every time i pick it up. i don't know why Magpul would let Magpul PTS release this POS, didn't they look over it? i can honestly say that the A&K Masada would be better than this thing.

[THe_Silencer]

Originally Posted by Dynamo

that would be me.

the ACR belongs to my teammate ScatterShot.

Pretty dame small world isn't it?