Sand management

m102404 · April 21st, 2010, 10:39

Not sure where to post this....Gear/General/???...anyways, question to guys who actually play. Chairsofters with L33t kit that they don't actually use can sit in the corner.

Lately, we've been having some great games at the new, new Flag Raiders. A LOT of that place is very, very sandy. Sandy hills, sandy berms, etc...

I tend not to care at all how dirty/wet I get...and maybe that's the solution in the end....but I tend to go prone when I need to...take cover where ever works best...slog through the mud/swamp when that's what we need to do (or when we're lost). I've *ahem* performed several rapid vertical deployments (i.e. trip and fall)...and obviously then sand will get everywhere.

I run a PTW, a WE M4 GBBR and take a v3 mechbox Galil as a failsafe to most games.

The PTW mags are picky feeders with sand in them, the gas mags don't care, the AK/galil mags don't care. The PTW is a little picky about getting junk down the barrel and in the hopup...the gas one is a bitch to clear if it jams (which usually means a mangled BB wedged in the barrel)...the Galil doesn't care any more than a regular AEG does.

So...do you guys have any good tips (other than don't trip/fall and roll around in the sand) about keeping the sand:
1. Off of the feed portion of you mags to begin with
2. out of the gun if they feed portion does get sandy? best way to clear it/manage that?

How the hell does everyone keep the sand out of their dump pouches...which then ends up contaminating the mags!?!

Also...in dusty/sandy areas...do you do anything "extra" to keep your barrel/hopup/system clean and clear *while* in play? I can certianly see cleaning out inbetween sets or skirmishes...but anything to do while in game?

I'm frustrated since one rifle got jammed up last game and both barrels look like a dirty chimney.

As much as I like the Galil...I prefer to shoot the others and keep the Galil as a loaner for buddies and a last ditch go-to.

GBear · April 21st, 2010, 10:43

I'm pretty noob, but I saw these. And if you use magpuls, they'll work:

http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...oducts_id=1213

Also, maybe try compressed air and try not to blow the dirt deeper into the mag! :P Just a couple ideas I had.

FOX_111 · April 21st, 2010, 10:47

I see no real solution to this. Having closed magpouch will help a little. Dump pouch with the lips will also help.

I see a lot of people putting their pistol in a plastic bag, in the holdster. I just don't see it very practical for a quick transition.

From personnal experience, I only played as a sniper in the sand (The huge rawdon sandpit) and I was wearing all my gear under a ghillie suit, wich prevented most of the sand from entering my magpouchs.

I did play assault once there and I just kept my webbing a little higher, so when I go prone on my elbow, I'm not resting on my mags wich don't end up digging in the sand. I think it helped a little. I don't run a dump pouch.

thpethalK · April 21st, 2010, 10:49

Try putting some grommets in the bottom of your dump pouch. Also, if you don't do it already; if y our dump pouch has an elastic drawcord at the top, close it up enough so that you can just slip a mag in there and nothing larger.

m102404 · April 21st, 2010, 10:51

Thanks Fox...

I'm not used to rotating spent mags back into my rig pouches vs. dump pouch...maybe I'll try that.

Although when I cleaned out my rig I had mini-sandboxes in the bottom of each pouch too (Blackhawk "RRV" with eagle pouches...they've got a drainage hole...but still trap sand).

Zeonprime · April 21st, 2010, 10:52

When the mags are in your pouches you could use sandwhich (not ziplocks) bags with an elastic bands to hold them on over the ends of the mags, relatively simple to remove and low cost. I did that on the rare occasion I actually played at Splatters years and years ago. No idea on how to better protect them once in the dump pouch though.

m102404 · April 21st, 2010, 11:06

I miss FTF...

I didn't find the splatters stuff to be an issue...it was so gooey and gross, but it didn't get everywhere like the finer sand at FR.

Jimski · April 21st, 2010, 11:40

mmm...
I try to move on my knees (padded) rather than prone.
I store magazines in pouches BB side up, dump is closed at all times...

sand still gets in...

one very useful thing you can try is tie an old toothbrush to your kit, if you're in trouble with sand during a firefight, you can always brush what needs to be brushed, or you can use some keyboard cleaning spray...

my kp-05 as a sidearm is not sensitive to sand (probably because it's not very precise machining in the first place), and I though my aeg (aug) wasn't either, turns out too much sand has a tendency to destroy the feeding tube inside the magazine well, which required sanding (!) after a while...

m102404 · April 21st, 2010, 11:52

I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm sanding my inner barrel to bits...either via shooting dirty BBs down it, or after as I'm cleaning it out.

I don't want to buy more inner barrels...but I don't mind that cost either. It's just the eventual jamming up that's frustrating me.

I'll take a little brush with me next time and tie/stash it with my kit...that's a good idea.

Tys

Brian McIlmoyle · April 21st, 2010, 11:54

developing a sense for what is dipping in what when you move or take a position is also key.

AS mags are way more sensitive to crap than RS .. but even RS can and will foul if you jam a messy mag in.

I swap out mags from my dump every chance I get.. and I dump out the pouch and clear it whenever I am not engaged..

Lots of guys will stand around when they get a break .. and when the fight heats up again they will note that their mags are all fouled from the last time they went to ground.

I constantly check and re-check the status and condition of my ammo ... so I know when things are getting sandy and can take remedial action to ensure my ammo feeds when I need it to.

These kinds of behaviors have to become automatic habits that happen without thinking..

TechSeller · April 21st, 2010, 12:06

jimski's idea is solid. I really could have used a small brush to safely dust off the sand without forcing it down in the mag. My dump pouch felt like a filled diaper by the end of the day.. should have pulled that drawstring in tighter.

GBear · April 21st, 2010, 12:14

Couldn't you use compressed air instead of a brush? It's faster.

Danke · April 21st, 2010, 12:19

Compressed air will either blow the sand off or blow it in deeper. It's great for when you've got everything to bits on a work bench though.

First you run everything dry, dry, dry. Any lube will encourage sand to stick. I like a smaller paint brush more that a toothbrush. Not a model brush, something about an inch or so.

For the rest, everything that Brian said.

GBear · April 21st, 2010, 12:21

Well, carry around a small high suction portable vacuum to suck out all of the dusk. You'll look the Ghostbusters with that thing on your back!

andrew321 · April 21st, 2010, 12:25

We play out at reynolds for some sunday games, and it is sandy as it gets.

My AEG was getting so filled with sand, none of the mags fed, it got into the mechbox, and by barrel filled. And that was being pretty careful and cleaning it too.

On a breakfast break on the way out, I ran into dollarama and bought some DPM 2'x4' fabric they had, and wrapped it around the gun, cut a slit for the magwell and trigger, and then tied around with electrical tape. instant "ghillie", and the gun came out 100% clean.

Just fyi.

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April 21st, 2010, 10:39	#1
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	Sand management Not sure where to post this....Gear/General/???...anyways, question to guys who actually play. Chairsofters with L33t kit that they don't actually use can sit in the corner. Lately, we've been having some great games at the new, new Flag Raiders. A LOT of that place is very, very sandy. Sandy hills, sandy berms, etc... I tend not to care at all how dirty/wet I get...and maybe that's the solution in the end....but I tend to go prone when I need to...take cover where ever works best...slog through the mud/swamp when that's what we need to do (or when we're lost). I've ahem performed several rapid vertical deployments (i.e. trip and fall)...and obviously then sand will get everywhere. I run a PTW, a WE M4 GBBR and take a v3 mechbox Galil as a failsafe to most games. The PTW mags are picky feeders with sand in them, the gas mags don't care, the AK/galil mags don't care. The PTW is a little picky about getting junk down the barrel and in the hopup...the gas one is a bitch to clear if it jams (which usually means a mangled BB wedged in the barrel)...the Galil doesn't care any more than a regular AEG does. So...do you guys have any good tips (other than don't trip/fall and roll around in the sand) about keeping the sand: 1. Off of the feed portion of you mags to begin with 2. out of the gun if they feed portion does get sandy? best way to clear it/manage that? How the hell does everyone keep the sand out of their dump pouches...which then ends up contaminating the mags!?! Also...in dusty/sandy areas...do you do anything "extra" to keep your barrel/hopup/system clean and clear while in play? I can certianly see cleaning out inbetween sets or skirmishes...but anything to do while in game? I'm frustrated since one rifle got jammed up last game and both barrels look like a dirty chimney. As much as I like the Galil...I prefer to shoot the others and keep the Galil as a loaner for buddies and a last ditch go-to.

April 21st, 2010, 10:47	#3
FOX_111 Le Roi des poissons d'avril Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Terrebonne, Québec	I see no real solution to this. Having closed magpouch will help a little. Dump pouch with the lips will also help. I see a lot of people putting their pistol in a plastic bag, in the holdster. I just don't see it very practical for a quick transition. From personnal experience, I only played as a sniper in the sand (The huge rawdon sandpit) and I was wearing all my gear under a ghillie suit, wich prevented most of the sand from entering my magpouchs. I did play assault once there and I just kept my webbing a little higher, so when I go prone on my elbow, I'm not resting on my mags wich don't end up digging in the sand. I think it helped a little. I don't run a dump pouch. __________________ Vérificateur d'âge: Terrebonne

April 21st, 2010, 11:40	#8
Jimski Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Montreal	mmm... I try to move on my knees (padded) rather than prone. I store magazines in pouches BB side up, dump is closed at all times... sand still gets in... one very useful thing you can try is tie an old toothbrush to your kit, if you're in trouble with sand during a firefight, you can always brush what needs to be brushed, or you can use some keyboard cleaning spray... my kp-05 as a sidearm is not sensitive to sand (probably because it's not very precise machining in the first place), and I though my aeg (aug) wasn't either, turns out too much sand has a tendency to destroy the feeding tube inside the magazine well, which required sanding (!) after a while... __________________

April 21st, 2010, 10:51	#5
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	Thanks Fox... I'm not used to rotating spent mags back into my rig pouches vs. dump pouch...maybe I'll try that. Although when I cleaned out my rig I had mini-sandboxes in the bottom of each pouch too (Blackhawk "RRV" with eagle pouches...they've got a drainage hole...but still trap sand).

April 21st, 2010, 11:06	#7
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	I miss FTF... I didn't find the splatters stuff to be an issue...it was so gooey and gross, but it didn't get everywhere like the finer sand at FR.

April 21st, 2010, 11:52	#9
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm sanding my inner barrel to bits...either via shooting dirty BBs down it, or after as I'm cleaning it out. I don't want to buy more inner barrels...but I don't mind that cost either. It's just the eventual jamming up that's frustrating me. I'll take a little brush with me next time and tie/stash it with my kit...that's a good idea. Tys

April 21st, 2010, 11:54	#10
Brian McIlmoyle 8=======D Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	developing a sense for what is dipping in what when you move or take a position is also key. AS mags are way more sensitive to crap than RS .. but even RS can and will foul if you jam a messy mag in. I swap out mags from my dump every chance I get.. and I dump out the pouch and clear it whenever I am not engaged.. Lots of guys will stand around when they get a break .. and when the fight heats up again they will note that their mags are all fouled from the last time they went to ground. I constantly check and re-check the status and condition of my ammo ... so I know when things are getting sandy and can take remedial action to ensure my ammo feeds when I need it to. These kinds of behaviors have to become automatic habits that happen without thinking.. __________________ Brian McIlmoyle TTAC3 Director CAPS Range Officer Toronto Downtown Age Verifier OPERATION WOODSMAN If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite

April 21st, 2010, 12:06	#11
TechSeller Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Toronto	jimski's idea is solid. I really could have used a small brush to safely dust off the sand without forcing it down in the mag. My dump pouch felt like a filled diaper by the end of the day.. should have pulled that drawstring in tighter. __________________ North Trail Sports - Mora, Motorola, Puxing, Fogtech & More! / Our ASC Retail Thread

April 21st, 2010, 12:19	#13
Danke Prancercise Guru Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Danger Zone	Compressed air will either blow the sand off or blow it in deeper. It's great for when you've got everything to bits on a work bench though. First you run everything dry, dry, dry. Any lube will encourage sand to stick. I like a smaller paint brush more that a toothbrush. Not a model brush, something about an inch or so. For the rest, everything that Brian said. __________________ Airsoft, where nothing is hurt but feelings.

April 21st, 2010, 12:25	#15
andrew321 Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Winnipeg, MB	We play out at reynolds for some sunday games, and it is sandy as it gets. My AEG was getting so filled with sand, none of the mags fed, it got into the mechbox, and by barrel filled. And that was being pretty careful and cleaning it too. On a breakfast break on the way out, I ran into dollarama and bought some DPM 2'x4' fabric they had, and wrapped it around the gun, cut a slit for the magwell and trigger, and then tied around with electrical tape. instant "ghillie", and the gun came out 100% clean. Just fyi.

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