How do you increase trigger reaction?

[Able1]

I am sorry if I am not wording this correctly. When you pull the trigger on an aeg you here a bit of a wind before the *pop* I wanted too know how to make minimal Wind so that when I pull the reaction is fast.

[Thenooblord]

higher voltage battery is the easiest way

[Conker]

MOSFET, low-resistance wiring.

[Able1]

What about Li-Po? And was it ICS boating about the Lipo-Readiness?

[kalnaren]

Every gun is li-po ready, so long as you don't put an insainly stupid lipo in it.

Every mechbox, except the L85A1 and PSG-1 has to "wind" before firing. How long that takes is dependant on voltage and available amperage from the battery.

[Able1]

"insanely stupid" li-po? Enlighten me.

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by Able1

"insanely stupid" li-po? Enlighten me.

Same idea as putting in a 10 volt battery in a stock gun. A lot of guns will run a 7.2v lipo without a lot of trouble. The problem people have with lipos is they think a 9.6v lipo is the same as a 9.6v Ni-Mh... forgetting that Li-Pos have an incredebly higher discharge rate, allowing way more ampres to flow through the gun (and thus blowing the mechbox).

Like any other battery, you have to match the li-po to what the gun can take. "Li-po ready" is as much BS as "Canadian legal".

[Skorpion]

There are many ways to do what you require and all of them will improve it a little:

1.- rewire with low resistance wire
2.- install a mosfet, a home made one is enough
3.- install DEANs connectors
4.- Use a lipo battery 7.4v 15C or 11.1v 15C, the more "C" the better response
5.- Install a high torque motor
6.- If you have an ACM replica, be sure to shim and grease the gearbox correctly

Hope I helped

[coach]

high speed gears
softer spring
larger battery

[Crunchmeister]

Originally Posted by coachster

high speed gears

Actually, high torque gears is what will increase trigger response. With all other things equal and the gears being the only variable, high speed will actually increase trigger lag. High speed will turn faster once wound up. High torque will spin up faster at startup, but have a lower top speed (think gears in a car - low gear = high torque and high gears = high speed).

I tend to install high torque gears (Modify modular ftw) and motors such as Guarder Infinite Torque and Systema Magnum in my guns. Paired with a 9.6V 2000+ mAh battery, trigger lag is practically non-existent.

[m102404]

The way AEG's work is that a battery powered motor turns gears to compress a spring...until it releases and shoots. The "wind up" is an evil fact of life.

The other kick in the nuts with AEGs is that if you goose things up to quicken trigger response (taken as the time between pressing the trigger and the shot completing) you end up with a very high rate of fire (read stupid fast ROF).

So thinking about the system like that there are several points you can influence.

* softer spring - less force to compress = faster compression = quicker trigger response
* "bigger" battery - deeper reserves of power to sustain as much power as the motor will drawn for repeated semi or full auto strings
* high speed/torque motor
* high ROF gear ratio - affects how many turns of the pinion gear it will take to complete a rev of the sector gear. Better with milder springs = lower FPS
* wiring - 18-16AWG wiring removes a bottle neck in the system to allow the motor to draw as much power as it needs without buring up the wires/shielding
* mosfet - preserves the integrity of the switch...otherwise it'll tend to burn out with higher V/power setups.

So what you decide to change is up to you...some things can be changed on their own (i.e. dropping down to a softer spring)....others should be done together (i.e. change to a high ROF gear set and switch to a softer spring).

(or buy a PTW or a gas rifle)

Tys

[doc_pathfinders]

Originally Posted by kalnaren

Same idea as putting in a 10 volt battery in a stock gun. A lot of guns will run a 7.2v lipo without a lot of trouble. The problem people have with lipos is they think a 9.6v lipo is the same as a 9.6v Ni-Mh... forgetting that Li-Pos have an incredebly higher discharge rate, allowing way more ampres to flow through the gun (and thus blowing the mechbox).

Like any other battery, you have to match the li-po to what the gun can take. "Li-po ready" is as much BS as "Canadian legal".

while your main point is correct the way in which you present it is incorrect,

it isn't the amperage that damages the gun, it's actually the wear-and-tear due to higher VOLTAGE
(and the speed that it creates) that usually kills AEG gearboxes.

normal (NICAD/NIMH) packs usually do not match the amperage draw of an AEG motor, where as most Lipo's will
(this is better then the motor being 'starved' of current to be honest)

as an example, if i had a battery with infinite amperage but at 7.2 volts i wouldn't kill it any sooner then a 9.6 volt NICAD/NIMH

if however i had even a 22.2v (or there-abouts) battery (NICAD/NIMH or LIPO) then i think we can guess the lifetime wouldn't be so great..

it is also important to differentiate wear due to excessive speed and breakages that can be due to excessive speed..

the wear-and-tear can be shown with the 'limited milage' model:
In simplistic terms, AEG components (without exceptional defects) have a life expectancy, measured in shots fired..
if you increase the Rate Of Fire you are just hastening it's demise,

Breakages due to excessive speed would involve anything that was caused by the excessive speed, example:

If you took a standard out-of-the-box tokyo marui firing at around 300fps..
then if you took said gun and used a 22.2 or 33.3 volt battery the motor would move the gears to fast that the piston
wouldn't have time to move forward fully before the next rotation (Que horrible grinding sounds from piston teeth being chewed off)

note that this is unlikey to happen with 'normal' (sub 12) voltages and upgraded guns (which would have a faster moving piston)

of course, i have used a FAMAS with a 12 volt battery for a couple of games and it didn't miss a heartbeat.. you take your chances!

[coach]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

Actually, high torque gears is what will increase trigger response. With all other things equal and the gears being the only variable, high speed will actually increase trigger lag. High speed will turn faster once wound up. High torque will spin up faster at startup, but have a lower top speed (think gears in a car - low gear = high torque and high gears = high speed).

I tend to install high torque gears (Modify modular ftw) and motors such as Guarder Infinite Torque and Systema Magnum in my guns. Paired with a 9.6V 2000+ mAh battery, trigger lag is practically non-existent.

gotcha!

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by m102404

(or buy a PTW or a gas rifle)

Tys

There is your fastest and best answers joey

[FOX_111]

9.6v on a stock or lightly upgraded AEG produce a near instant BB discharge. It's close to a PTW trigger speed IMO.