Systema M4A1 Thoughts?

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by wildcard

Lol, after being in the hobby for more that 20yrs I came to the conclusion a while ago no matter what we use its a money pit, whether its GBBR, classic air, AEG, PTW ALL of them are money pit especially when you start pimpin out your toys. I remember when HOLOSIGHT are the shit we went out and purchased a $500 RS sights for our riced up Marui. so in the end its up to the individual to limit their own spending because no matter what they will end up spending more no matter how dicipline you are. PTW are great when they work I've owned their gen1 to their latest Evolution and each one of them have issues, I turned to Tackleberry to make me a $4K PTW which lasted a lot longer than the OEM but eventually it failed too. we play with toys, toys do break and quite often, the value factor for me is how much joy I can get out of it before I have to tossed it out

I think if someone put a gun made out of a solid block of steel you would find a way to break it in 20 minutes.

PTW requires very little maintenance, AEG requires way more. If people say they don't do it, they are neglecting their gun, and lifespan and performance suffers. Same with PTW. The only real mainetnance is cylinder clean and regrease maybe one or twie a year. Minimal time and tools involved.

[ThunderCactus]

Says the guy that hasn't owned an aeg in a decade lol
As far as preventative maintenance, the ptw is more demanding because its more precise. Only need to grease an aeg every 1-2 seasons.
You change the oil in your car every 5000 miles to save the engine, in racing they change the engine completely every 5000 miles. That's just how it is.

As far as breakdown maintenance, its more common in aeg's. But mostly because the original build quality is so inferior and every tom dick and harry go messing about and put whatever cheap parts in the mechbox.

My 249 and G3 are the pinnacle of aegs. The 249 has been through hell and back with only a regreasing every year no problem. And the G3 was 7yrs old when I sold it with the same upgrade parts in it for 4yrs

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

I think if someone put a gun made out of a solid block of steel you would find a way to break it in 20 minutes.

PTW requires very little maintenance, AEG requires way more. If people say they don't do it, they are neglecting their gun, and lifespan and performance suffers. Same with PTW. The only real mainetnance is cylinder clean and regrease maybe one or twie a year. Minimal time and tools involved.

Lol, but very true, any expectation when you buy a PTW that it will last forever is false they are toys with precision mechanics as such they do require care and maintainance

To the OP as mcguyver said PTW do require little more care but mostly is keeping the cylinder clean, however with the popular choice of LiPo usage additional preventative maintainance is also a good idea.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by lurkingknight

what are you paying this guy and how long does he have it for? 700 in labor really?

No, 700 for the gun and parts, then add labour. Depending on your area that could be 700 total.

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Says the guy that hasn't owned an aeg in a decade lol As far as preventative maintenance, the ptw is more demanding because its more precise. Only need to grease an aeg every 1-2 seasons.
You change the oil in your car every 5000 miles to save the engine, in racing they change the engine completely every 5000 miles. That's just how it is.

I disagree, Cylinder maintenance is easier on the TW/ICS split/Katana system. Complete teardown of a AEG gearbox (above example aside) is far more difficult that a PTW. All of the parts are suppose to be machined to fit to each other so perfectly that when you compare the two it's like apples to firetrucks.

Preventative maintenance on a PTW involves shooting quality ammo and not fully submerging your gun in water.

[ThunderCactus]

You missed my point.
Its more difficult to do an an aeg, but you can potentially not grease an AEG for 4 years and it will still work. You can not clean the barrel. Ever. And it'll still shoot lol
You never need to clean the mags. Ever.

Their loose tolerances make them more generally more redundant and requiring maintenance less often. Yes there's broken parts and that, but its typically attributed to buy shitty parts or bad gundocs lol

My point is the ptw requires scheduled PM while and aeg can be largely neglected

But the same is said for a stock toyota camry vs a mercedes.
Apparently in europe, If you miss an oil change with the mercedes, it sends out a homing signal and mercedes comes and steals your car to do the oil change lol

[Crimzzen]

Perhaps slightly off-topic.

Are the systema's REQUIRED to run on Lipo? Could they run on 9.6 1600 NiMh or does that cause problems? What's the advantage to running a lipo?

[ThunderCactus]

They're originally designed to run off NiCd
I wouldn't run them off NiMH due to the low discharge rate
The advantage to lipo on a ptw is the same as it is on an aeg, except its not recommended to run NiMH on a PTW

http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=156571

[Crimzzen]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

They're originally designed to run off NiCd
I wouldn't run them off NiMH due to the low discharge rate
The advantage to lipo on a ptw is the same as it is on an aeg, except its not recommended to run NiMH on a PTW

http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=156571

Thanks