Marui Sig Sauer P226 vs P229

[Silverthorn]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

Could you perhaps share the said email with us?

Sorry, deleted it 2 weeks ago.

I guess White_Knight's reply and the fact that he owns it clears the subject.

Thanks white_Knight and everybody else who tried to shed light on this

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

That's what I was thinking too, because their AEGs are plastic. TM makes the best 552 replica on the market, so it would make sense that they'd get them to make to make it. Specs on the SIG site list the gun as shooting 265 and using an EG1000 motor. Sounds like that's what it is to me.

TM just doesn't make any metal guns, and that's due to Japanese law. So they can't make the SIG airsoft pistols, since they're all metal.

Could you perhaps share the said email with us?

TM actually does make metal guns... But they are not allowed to sell them to the Japanese market... And until recently TM didn't give a rat's ass about the foreign market... but now companies like JG are hurting their sales quite a bit, so they've been forced to "Wise up" (Their Type 89 is meant for the JDF to train with, it's all metal)

[White_knight]

np, its a neat little gun, has a nice recoil spring. it came with a kjw manual along with a sig one so it was a pretty telltale sign. grips are a little harsh tho

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Amos

TM actually does make metal guns... But they are not allowed to sell them to the Japanese market... And until recently TM didn't give a rat's ass about the foreign market... but now companies like JG are hurting their sales quite a bit, so they've been forced to "Wise up" (Their Type 89 is meant for the JDF to train with, it's all metal)

Yeah, they got special permission from the Japanese government to make the Type89 full metal receiver because it's their military's battle rifle.

[Crunchmeister]

Yeah, they do make metal guns, but not available to the general public. I may be mistaken, but I don't think they even sell full metal guns to the public outside of Japan either. JDF are their only customers. 100% of their consumer level stuff is plastic.

[Styrak]

The Type 89 is available to the public.

[Rumpel Felt]

I think they really are just that lame and cheap to not make metal guns. They make the Type 89 metal and the M14 as well and then sell them abroad....so that argument is out. They would be smart to just make good quality metal guns....Just like they would be smart to make a UMP or something (not that I'd buy it cause they'd use the same kind of plastic they use for everything instead of the more realistic stuff) that other companies make because they are in demand. TM doesn't seem to give a shit about it's customers at all....and when the whole world seems to crave your stuff, the logical thing to do would be to pander to them, no? Just like it would be smart to finally hire someone with sufficient knowledge of the English language to write their manuals.

[Crunchmeister]

Originally Posted by Styrak

The Type 89 is available to the public.

Yeah, I guess it is. Touché. I think I was thinking of another gun, since sniper / marksman guns aren't really my thing. I stand corrected. And the M14 has a metal receiver as well. I believe they do make at least some Hi Capas with metal mid-frames as well, although the rest of the gun is plastic.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

I believe they do make at least some Hi Capas with metal mid-frames as well, although the rest of the gun is plastic.

Yup, all TM Hicapas have metal midframes.

[Medic]

Just an addition to your origional question, not all holsters will be compatible. While I've never tried the Serpa, I had to get a seperate Safariland 6004 when I switched from my TM P226 to my KJW P229. The 229 is wider across the slide and would not go in.

[manchovie]

Originally Posted by Amos

TM actually does make metal guns... But they are not allowed to sell them to the Japanese market... And until recently TM didn't give a rat's ass about the foreign market... but now companies like JG are hurting their sales quite a bit, so they've been forced to "Wise up" (Their Type 89 is meant for the JDF to train with, it's all metal)

i'm pretty sure it's a load of bunk, tm makes full metal ak's as well, not to mention they're soon releasing a full metal m4. systema also makes full metal aeg's and you can buy all sorts of aftermarket metal bits in japan. tm is REALLY good at making plastic parts, that and duster + metal = sad so i'm having a hard time believing that they're not allowed by law to make metal guns.

[manchovie]

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

I think they really are just that lame and cheap to not make metal guns. They make the Type 89 metal and the M14 as well and then sell them abroad....so that argument is out. They would be smart to just make good quality metal guns....Just like they would be smart to make a UMP or something (not that I'd buy it cause they'd use the same kind of plastic they use for everything instead of the more realistic stuff) that other companies make because they are in demand. TM doesn't seem to give a shit about it's customers at all....and when the whole world seems to crave your stuff, the logical thing to do would be to pander to them, no? Just like it would be smart to finally hire someone with sufficient knowledge of the English language to write their manuals.

did you ever have a dead or shitty tm out of the box? how about kj? we? jg? tm spends their money on r&d, INVENTING airsoft systems and very good molds. they're a japanese hobby company and they seem happy to just make very excellent guns for that market. if someone outside of japan happens to pick one up, then fuck with it to make it shoot twice as hard as it was designed to, then whatever. i can't blame them, though i would love it if they got a little more social and had parts more available to overseas customers. it seems like they won't start supporting upgraded aeg's until they design them to handle high fps as reliably as the current ones handle sub-1joule speeds. their new m4 runs on a custom battery that's only 1300mah, great for a day of 300fps but not so great for any more. it'll be a while if ever, though the much better propane handling on their new gbb's shows they haven't been ignorant to us foreigners. as for tm being lame and cheap, why don't you go invent something and stay competitive while others copy your shit.

[Rumpel Felt]

Yep, had several TM's DOA and/or FUBAR themselves after minimal normal use. I've had less problems with my CA guns than my TM ones. And they are a hell of a better deal. I've never had KJW fail either. (except the freak external failure on one of the '1st-gen' full metal M9's, where the barrel suddenly broke in two and shot across the room)

They are way over-hyped here and they are the most overpriced for what they are. If they don't want to be copied, then they should start freaking producing quality full metal AEG's that are better than those who are copying them.

On another note, why is it that some stock AK's from TM I've had access to had metal top covers and recievers?

[Styrak]

A stock AK with a metal receiver? Wha?
Do you have proof?

And the top covers are always metal, are they not? (That doesn't count as the receiver, by the way.)