Ares AK not shooting

Omnivorous · July 16th, 2021, 21:04

Hi,

I have an Ares AK AEG that seems to work normally except BBs don't come out at all when it shoots. The gun has seen minimal use, but sat for a number of years. When I tried to use it after those number of years, at first a BB would come out here and there, but now none come out. When I took the mag out and manually put a BB in the feeding port on the barrel and pulled the trigger, the BB shot back out the feeding port.

But BBs won't come out the barrel! I've checked for obstructions and there aren't any. I only have one mid cap (these mags are impossible to find and they don't even make high caps for the SA VZ 58), so could it be this mid cap syndrome I've read about?

Any advice would be great.
Thanks.

DAVESAGE · July 17th, 2021, 01:10

Did you store it with bbs in the magazine?

Omnivorous · July 17th, 2021, 09:28

I don't know. It's actually my brother's gun and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was stored with BBs in the magazine.

DAVESAGE · July 17th, 2021, 14:42

Honestly it could just be a worn out spring in the magazine

Omnivorous · July 17th, 2021, 16:02

I did think of that and replaced the spring in the mag. It has great tension. I'm stumped though because when I put a BB in through the end of the barrel, it shoots out just fine (and I can feel air shooting out the end of the barrel when I dry fire it). But for some reason BBs can't get into the barrel from the magazine. Whenever I pull the mag out, 4 BBs fall out like expected.

It will fire a BB if after I put the BB in the firing port, I put my cleaning rod inside and gently nudge the BB forward so it's under the hopup more. I'm not familiar with how Ares SV 58s come apart, otherwise I would have already done it. (it's not normal though). But I guess it has to be either that the front of the barrel off somehow or the hopup is blocking the BB somehow.

RainyEyes · July 18th, 2021, 02:03

If you turn the gun upside down and shoot and bb's come out then your mag is the problem.

And while the gun is upside down you should be able to see the nozzle pushing bb's in and out of the hop up chamber. If you do not see it moving you may have a damaged tappet plate. Not uncommon for ares.

Otherwise it could be a case of an over-hopped or dirty hop up rubber.

Omnivorous · July 19th, 2021, 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainyEyes

If you turn the gun upside down and shoot and bb's come out then your mag is the problem.

And while the gun is upside down you should be able to see the nozzle pushing bb's in and out of the hop up chamber. If you do not see it moving you may have a damaged tappet plate. Not uncommon for ares.

Otherwise it could be a case of an over-hopped or dirty hop up rubber.

I don't see the air nozzle pushing BBs forward at all so sounds like a damaged tappet plate. I'll take a part the gun completely.

Appreciate the guidance.

Omnivorous · July 19th, 2021, 12:59

I took it apart and the tappet plate is broken (see pic below). Pretty crazy considering the gun has probably only had 2000 rounds put through it - but it is probably 7 or 8 years old.

Now I just need to see if I can find an Ares SV 58 part in Canada

RainyEyes · July 19th, 2021, 13:44

Get an aftermarket one. The tappet plate should not be proprietary in design.

If I bought something that broke within an unexpectedly short life of operation why would I buy the same thing just for it to happen again when I can get a better replacement part?

Try lonex or shs.

Omnivorous · July 19th, 2021, 14:09

Sounds great. My brain kind of assumed nothing aftermarket would work since it's Ares. I'll look into that though, thanks.

Ratters · July 23rd, 2021, 02:11

Rainy Eyes is correct, Ares are notorious for using soft plastic in their tappets. I replaced two Ares tappets ordered direct from Ares for replacements and within a week they were destroyed

Do some research to make sure they aren't proprietary because a lot of what Ares makes is making upgrades and repair a major pita

Consider yourself lucky if aftermarket parts fit and it isn't crumbling apart while you work on it

If you breath on some Ares pieces they crumble like a Man side-eyeing Medusa on a switch back

Omnivorous · July 29th, 2021, 17:39

Yah, nothing aftermarket fits. It's proprietary. I guess I'm going to get some good practice replacing the tappet plate in it!

RainyEyes · July 30th, 2021, 00:59

Oh god that's a PITA. Sorry about that.

Can you post a picture comparing the two? Curious which part doesn't fit. Are you confident that it's a v3 tappet plate and not a v2?

Omnivorous · July 30th, 2021, 18:09

I've attached 2 photos. The blue one is a version 3, and the black one is the one out of the Ares VZ58 AK. I'm definitely not confident it's a version 3. I have almost no knowledge of Ares products or AKs!

RainyEyes · July 31st, 2021, 00:53

Not sure if you want to try your luck with an LCT RPD tappet plate that seems to fit the bill:

https://www.herooutdoors.com/lct-rep...d-aeg-gearbox/

The main difference appears to be the nozzle height for the tappet plate.

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July 16th, 2021, 21:04	#1
Omnivorous Trader rating Join Date: May 2010	Ares AK not shooting Hi, I have an Ares AK AEG that seems to work normally except BBs don't come out at all when it shoots. The gun has seen minimal use, but sat for a number of years. When I tried to use it after those number of years, at first a BB would come out here and there, but now none come out. When I took the mag out and manually put a BB in the feeding port on the barrel and pulled the trigger, the BB shot back out the feeding port. But BBs won't come out the barrel! I've checked for obstructions and there aren't any. I only have one mid cap (these mags are impossible to find and they don't even make high caps for the SA VZ 58), so could it be this mid cap syndrome I've read about? Any advice would be great. Thanks.

July 17th, 2021, 16:02	#5
Omnivorous Trader rating Join Date: May 2010	I did think of that and replaced the spring in the mag. It has great tension. I'm stumped though because when I put a BB in through the end of the barrel, it shoots out just fine (and I can feel air shooting out the end of the barrel when I dry fire it). But for some reason BBs can't get into the barrel from the magazine. Whenever I pull the mag out, 4 BBs fall out like expected. It will fire a BB if after I put the BB in the firing port, I put my cleaning rod inside and gently nudge the BB forward so it's under the hopup more. I'm not familiar with how Ares SV 58s come apart, otherwise I would have already done it. (it's not normal though). But I guess it has to be either that the front of the barrel off somehow or the hopup is blocking the BB somehow. Last edited by Omnivorous; July 17th, 2021 at 16:19..

July 23rd, 2021, 02:11	#11
Ratters Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Vancouver	Ares parts Rainy Eyes is correct, Ares are notorious for using soft plastic in their tappets. I replaced two Ares tappets ordered direct from Ares for replacements and within a week they were destroyed Do some research to make sure they aren't proprietary because a lot of what Ares makes is making upgrades and repair a major pita Consider yourself lucky if aftermarket parts fit and it isn't crumbling apart while you work on it If you breath on some Ares pieces they crumble like a Man side-eyeing Medusa on a switch back __________________ Can´t sleep. Clowns will eat me!

July 17th, 2021, 01:10	#2
DAVESAGE Trader rating Join Date: May 2018 Location: London, On	Did you store it with bbs in the magazine?

July 17th, 2021, 09:28	#3
Omnivorous Trader rating Join Date: May 2010	I don't know. It's actually my brother's gun and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was stored with BBs in the magazine.

July 17th, 2021, 14:42	#4
DAVESAGE Trader rating Join Date: May 2018 Location: London, On	Honestly it could just be a worn out spring in the magazine

July 18th, 2021, 02:03	#6
RainyEyes Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Scarbororororough	If you turn the gun upside down and shoot and bb's come out then your mag is the problem. And while the gun is upside down you should be able to see the nozzle pushing bb's in and out of the hop up chamber. If you do not see it moving you may have a damaged tappet plate. Not uncommon for ares. Otherwise it could be a case of an over-hopped or dirty hop up rubber.

July 19th, 2021, 13:44	#9
RainyEyes Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Scarbororororough	Get an aftermarket one. The tappet plate should not be proprietary in design. If I bought something that broke within an unexpectedly short life of operation why would I buy the same thing just for it to happen again when I can get a better replacement part? Try lonex or shs.

July 19th, 2021, 14:09	#10
Omnivorous Trader rating Join Date: May 2010	Sounds great. My brain kind of assumed nothing aftermarket would work since it's Ares. I'll look into that though, thanks.

July 29th, 2021, 17:39	#12
Omnivorous Trader rating Join Date: May 2010	Yah, nothing aftermarket fits. It's proprietary. I guess I'm going to get some good practice replacing the tappet plate in it!

July 30th, 2021, 00:59	#13
RainyEyes Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Scarbororororough	Oh god that's a PITA. Sorry about that. Can you post a picture comparing the two? Curious which part doesn't fit. Are you confident that it's a v3 tappet plate and not a v2? Last edited by RainyEyes; July 30th, 2021 at 01:02..

July 31st, 2021, 00:53	#15
RainyEyes Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Scarbororororough	Not sure if you want to try your luck with an LCT RPD tappet plate that seems to fit the bill: https://www.herooutdoors.com/lct-rep...d-aeg-gearbox/ The main difference appears to be the nozzle height for the tappet plate.

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