High Performance Motors

[lurkingknight]

I think there was a bad batch from lonex at some point, these motors are probably from that batch... a few people elsewhere have reported a similar issue so you're not alone.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by pestobanana

I tried CA and Marui brushes on the motor and those burned out in a couple hundred rounds. Sounds like I got two crap motors in a row.

I dont really do gunwork anymore, it's only really a special favour that I do. I am interested in looking at the motor if you are willing to send it to me. If you just are going to RMA it with the LONEX dealer (stealth) then don't worry about it.

With the info you provided, i'm leaning towards manufacturing defect with the hardware. Unbalanced armature, axle, bearing, or their brush springs are just too damn tight (possible but shouldn't be a problem).

If you have boneyard brushes and springs on a spare motor try that. and if problem persists it's definetly manufacturing.

[ThunderCactus]

Ask me about my "special favors" hahahaha

[pestobanana]

Originally Posted by Stealth

3rd time's a charm?

Honestly we've serviced two warranty claims in April/May on this issue. The replacement motors have been reported to be fine.

In all honesty, if the 3rd motor is proven to be fine in front of my face, I'd gladly buy it. These motors aren't exactly cheap, but I do love the 31 RPS I get out of them when they work.

In other words, if by any chance you'd let me bring my mechbox and test the motor before I buy, I'd be down.

Originally Posted by Azathoth

I dont really do gunwork anymore, it's only really a special favour that I do. I am interested in looking at the motor if you are willing to send it to me.

They're both at a hobby shop at the moment, if the guy can't fix them then I'll just send them to you if you want.

[ThunderCactus]

What if I told you, that for $60-$85 you could have a motor that was guaranteed to be fucking awesome, and highly likely to last 3 years of hard abuse? O_O
Just because Lonex makes good parts, doesn't mean they make EVERYTHING good, it's all but impossible in airsoft for one company to do everything right.
Sure, they've got a good motor, it just occasionally munches through brushes like the cookie monster though mrs.fields cookies.
Systema made an amazing motor too, it just shorted through it's own end bell cause they didn't assemble it right lol

eagle force and tienly motors are hand made, I assume they mean hand wound and balanced.
Either way, both my M4 and 249 were experts at motor munching, they ate two G&P M120s, a G&P M140 and almost killed a marui EG1000, each of those motor were serviced by an RC tech, comms were cut, armatures rebalanced and spring tensions adjusted to give optimal performance and they still all got killed.
Stock eagle force EF1300, lasted 3 years and the comm turned pitch black, cleaned it, still works fine. Been overheated just about every time I've used the 249, it is one tough ass motor.
The only downside is it's a bit on the slow side being wound as a torque motor, my G&P M140 gives an extra 200rpm, but I'm pretty darn certain it's because I'm using triple torque gears. If I was running high speed gears that required more torque than speed, I believe the eagle force would win out, or at the very least consume significantly less amperage.

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by pestobanana

In all honesty, if the 3rd motor is proven to be fine in front of my face, I'd gladly buy it. These motors aren't exactly cheap, but I do love the 31 RPS I get out of them when they work.

In other words, if by any chance you'd let me bring my mechbox and test the motor before I buy, I'd be down.

Dude, did you ask Duy if you can exchange your 2 defective motors for another one?

[pestobanana]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

What if I told you, that for $60-$85 you could have a motor that was guaranteed to be fucking awesome, and highly likely to last 3 years of hard abuse? O_O
Just because Lonex makes good parts, doesn't mean they make EVERYTHING good, it's all but impossible in airsoft for one company to do everything right.
Sure, they've got a good motor, it just occasionally munches through brushes like the cookie monster though mrs.fields cookies.
Systema made an amazing motor too, it just shorted through it's own end bell cause they didn't assemble it right lol

eagle force and tienly motors are hand made, I assume they mean hand wound and balanced.
Either way, both my M4 and 249 were experts at motor munching, they ate two G&P M120s, a G&P M140 and almost killed a marui EG1000, each of those motor were serviced by an RC tech, comms were cut, armatures rebalanced and spring tensions adjusted to give optimal performance and they still all got killed.
Stock eagle force EF1300, lasted 3 years and the comm turned pitch black, cleaned it, still works fine. Been overheated just about every time I've used the 249, it is one tough ass motor.
The only downside is it's a bit on the slow side being wound as a torque motor, my G&P M140 gives an extra 200rpm, but I'm pretty darn certain it's because I'm using triple torque gears. If I was running high speed gears that required more torque than speed, I believe the eagle force would win out, or at the very least consume significantly less amperage.

Is there a place in the GTA where I can buy locally or do I have to order from triggerairsoft or the states? My CA motor works but has a fairly high number of TPA so the speed is quite low.

Originally Posted by Stealth

Dude, did you ask Duy if you can exchange your 2 defective motors for another one?

I told him what happened to the first motor, and he gave me the second one free. He said he doesn't have the time to go around figuring out what's wrong with everything. I don't really want to spend $20 on gas to bother him with more motor problems just to have another motor that lasts a week.

[Azathoth]

pestobanana,

Eagle force is a japanese RC motor manufacturer. They can be found in HK sites, No Canadian retailer sells them to my knowledge. You may be able to find if in the states. They -are- great motors with great QC. The pinion gears they make are also the best i've ever used.

If you are not / cannot get a RMA for a motor send me a PM and we'll work out details on the motor. If i get it running w/o issues i'll send it back. However, other LONEX dealers should be standing behind the product and supporting a RMA *HINT HINT*

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Ask me about my "special favors" hahahaha

If Brad wasnt the so good with the one liners I would have sigged this.

[ThunderCactus]

I've seen them on a few US sites, but mostly overseas!
Not to offend anyone, but canadian retailers don't usually stock the really high end parts, not enough demand for them unfortunately

[Stealth]

Are we thinking about the same Eagle Force? There was one floating around in the late 90s that made really bomb motors. Then recently another company with the same name popped up on our radar but they are now owned by the same umbrella company as King Arms...

[ThunderCactus]

"owned by eagle model"

[pestobanana]

UPDATE:
Replacements from Lonex finally arrived, installed one and there is no more overheating or black crap flying off. I think we can conclude that the two motors I had previously were from a bad batch.