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HKGhost · January 31st, 2011, 16:37

the battery never output the maximum voltage when the gun is fired. Because of resistance from the motor, switch assembly, connectors and fuse, the battery puts out about 80-90% of the volt. One less resistance in the line will allow the battery to put out a bit more voltage (~5%) so the ROF will go up 1-2 bbs. Lipo uses the high amps to get through all that resistance and that's how it has high ROF. Because the lipo has high amps, it's better to have a fuse if you don't do regular checks on the gun. I test my guns for resistance and making sure there's no kinks in the line regularly so I don't really need a fuse. At the end of the day, it's best to have the least amount of resistance in the line so everything will last longer and preform better.

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Originally Posted by Sportco

The need for electrical circuit protection isn't related to Brand, it's related to experimenting with your AEG ((including fiddling around with the ajustment screws, first time teardowns, home repairs, mod's and upgrades ) Anything that throws a variable in the équation...

I compare this to the guys who rechip there cars to remove the rev limiter on the engine... sure they will brag... tell you how much faster and better there car is now... right to the point where they start burning oil 5000 klicks later..

Test pilot wear a parachute and airline pilot don't... there is a reason for that!!

Hey HKGhost question for you, since he's using a lipo will he actually see a difference in ROF.

My understanding was that NIMH have limited maximum output therefore any resistance in the circuit (like a fuse) would reduce rate of fire, but lipo's can dump S**t loads of current and there is no actual benefit to removing the fuse... ((unless you have space issues.. rare with lipo's))

To the contrary because of that... in case of trouble the lipo has the hability to frye your motor in a snap...

So if you remove the fuse... anything happens you got to stop immediately and do diagnostic without really using the AEG because you don't end up with a burnt fuse, you end up with a burnt motor

Any misunderstanding on my part?

Cheers

sundae_1021 · January 31st, 2011, 17:35

In my past experience with my old Gun back home. I don't have any problem using lipo to a stock motor of a A&K. Even its a China made, it is still capable of shooting 500+fps for a long period of time. Its almost 1 year now, and I haven't changed any of the internal parts of my gun. I just don't know how the fuse works for the gun, cause this is the only gun that I bought that comes with a fuse.

Sportco · January 31st, 2011, 18:17

Dude... you HAVE seen it work and save your ass

You misaligned your gears... that jammed the motor... the amps when up trying to rotate the motor... the protection (fuse) blew instead of you motor...

The fuse is the the weakest link (in your system) that breaks before harm is done to anything else... more expensif... when something breaks, is overstressed or you mess up

Like a shear pin in a snow blower... if the snowblower is jammed by a rock, the shear pin fails (1.25$) and the (expensive) gearbox of the snow blower is saved... plus you repair the snowblower in 3 minutes flat.

What would you think a guy who replace the shear pin with an unbreakable bolt while plowing an unknown area.

By modifying and learning the ropes on your aeg and removing the fuse... that is what your doing... your call my friend...

Cheers

Zep · January 31st, 2011, 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by sundae_1021

Hi, I have a problem with my ICS M4. I put the level of the motor up to its highest position, then I tried to fire a shot, 1st semi, it didn't fire even 1 shot. And I think, my battery was dead, then I charged it, and the 2nd time I tried, I put it in full auto. I saw a spark, on the chip, and I disconnect the battery immediately. And the voltage of the battery burned it.

So, I want to ask if, the chip was burned, is there any internal wiring or the motor was burned too?

What would be the best solution?

i did that yesterday also man.. its a ICS thing.. i got my gun 3 weeks ago and ive spent over 400 in parts .. im about to throw it in the garbage.. somehow my lower gear box is broken.. nothing but problems..

Amos · January 31st, 2011, 19:02

You adjusted your motor too high.

It jammed.

Lower the motor before trying anything.

Judging by your responses in this thread... You're the type of person that SHOULD be using a fuse in their gun.

Sportco · January 31st, 2011, 19:53

Guys you were both warned about modifying AEG... it is VERY often a frustrating experience with little or no improvement...

I've seen guys throw 1200.00$ in a sniper rifle to sell it for 500$ later on completely frustrated because the bloody thing wouldnt shoot strait...

You might consider getting youself a bone stoke aeg to play... and a used one to learn... modifying is not about replacing parts on a AEG it's about making them all work together... that implies understanding the different systems very well...

Cheer

sundae_1021 · January 31st, 2011, 22:35

I've learned allot just by reading all replies to this thread. I know now what to do and what NOT to do. Thanks to all who respond on this thread. I really learned something.

"Experience is the best Teacher"

sundae_1021 · January 31st, 2011, 22:36

I know. That's why every time I buy something for my gun, I always ask if it is compatible with this and that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportco

Guys you were both warned about modifying AEG... it is VERY often a frustrating experience with little or no improvement...

I've seen guys throw 1200.00$ in a sniper rifle to sell it for 500$ later on completely frustrated because the bloody thing wouldnt shoot strait...

You might consider getting youself a bone stoke aeg to play... and a used one to learn... modifying is not about replacing parts on a AEG it's about making them all work together... that implies understanding the different systems very well...

Cheer

Exhopek · February 1st, 2011, 07:17

Hello kabayan.

If I were you tinkering for the first time I would definitely keep the fuse. Buy one from cantire or princess auto and replace that blown fuse put wires together. Since this is an ICS m4 pop out the upper gearbox. Adjust motor height all the way down. put battery in, put selector to semi auto. Now with the top portion of the gearbox separated pull the trigger once then adjust motor height up 1 turn at a time until you see the gears turn. I do the motor height by sound and its up to you to find that sweet spot. Motor sound would be from silent until it gets noisy like a gear trying to turn while theres a wrench inside the gearbox (bad). When i get to that spot where the noise level changes i back it out a bit like a quarter turn of the allen key.

The good thing about ICS is that you can actually set your motor height without load from the spring which is good for first time tinkerers.

Exhopek · February 1st, 2011, 07:33

@zep dont throw your ics in the garbage just yet. If your ics is a full metal ics ill swap you a we scar gbb fully functional with mags and upgrades. Im planning to get another aeg or a pistol and I found out Im just not a gas gun guy. I love ICS and I love dressing up their m4s.

There are lemons in every brand if not for some parts that are unique only to this aeg which makes parts acquisition/replacement a little harder Id say this is the easiest Gun platform to work on.

P.S. Why would you guys play around with the motor height At all? Unless maybe you replaced gears or dismantled it up to your motor?

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January 31st, 2011, 17:35	#17
sundae_1021 Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver BC	In my past experience with my old Gun back home. I don't have any problem using lipo to a stock motor of a A&K. Even its a China made, it is still capable of shooting 500+fps for a long period of time. Its almost 1 year now, and I haven't changed any of the internal parts of my gun. I just don't know how the fuse works for the gun, cause this is the only gun that I bought that comes with a fuse. __________________ MAGDALO HATERS GONNA HATE

January 31st, 2011, 18:17	#18
Sportco would-be wine thief Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: St-Hilaire	Dude... you HAVE seen it work and save your ass You misaligned your gears... that jammed the motor... the amps when up trying to rotate the motor... the protection (fuse) blew instead of you motor... The fuse is the the weakest link (in your system) that breaks before harm is done to anything else... more expensif... when something breaks, is overstressed or you mess up Like a shear pin in a snow blower... if the snowblower is jammed by a rock, the shear pin fails (1.25$) and the (expensive) gearbox of the snow blower is saved... plus you repair the snowblower in 3 minutes flat. What would you think a guy who replace the shear pin with an unbreakable bolt while plowing an unknown area. By modifying and learning the ropes on your aeg and removing the fuse... that is what your doing... your call my friend... Cheers __________________ Level 3 Directory assistance operator Level 1 skapegoat It ain't the years, it's the miles.

January 31st, 2011, 19:02	#20
Amos Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Japan	You adjusted your motor too high. It jammed. Lower the motor before trying anything. Judging by your responses in this thread... You're the type of person that SHOULD be using a fuse in their gun. __________________ Custom Builds: FA3674U Krinkov G3SD6

January 31st, 2011, 19:53	#21
Sportco would-be wine thief Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: St-Hilaire	Guys you were both warned about modifying AEG... it is VERY often a frustrating experience with little or no improvement... I've seen guys throw 1200.00$ in a sniper rifle to sell it for 500$ later on completely frustrated because the bloody thing wouldnt shoot strait... You might consider getting youself a bone stoke aeg to play... and a used one to learn... modifying is not about replacing parts on a AEG it's about making them all work together... that implies understanding the different systems very well... Cheer __________________ Level 3 Directory assistance operator Level 1 skapegoat It ain't the years, it's the miles.

January 31st, 2011, 22:35	#22
sundae_1021 Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver BC	I've learned allot just by reading all replies to this thread. I know now what to do and what NOT to do. Thanks to all who respond on this thread. I really learned something. "Experience is the best Teacher" __________________ MAGDALO HATERS GONNA HATE

February 1st, 2011, 07:17	#24
Exhopek Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earth	Hello kabayan. If I were you tinkering for the first time I would definitely keep the fuse. Buy one from cantire or princess auto and replace that blown fuse put wires together. Since this is an ICS m4 pop out the upper gearbox. Adjust motor height all the way down. put battery in, put selector to semi auto. Now with the top portion of the gearbox separated pull the trigger once then adjust motor height up 1 turn at a time until you see the gears turn. I do the motor height by sound and its up to you to find that sweet spot. Motor sound would be from silent until it gets noisy like a gear trying to turn while theres a wrench inside the gearbox (bad). When i get to that spot where the noise level changes i back it out a bit like a quarter turn of the allen key. The good thing about ICS is that you can actually set your motor height without load from the spring which is good for first time tinkerers.

February 1st, 2011, 07:33	#25
Exhopek Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earth	@zep dont throw your ics in the garbage just yet. If your ics is a full metal ics ill swap you a we scar gbb fully functional with mags and upgrades. Im planning to get another aeg or a pistol and I found out Im just not a gas gun guy. I love ICS and I love dressing up their m4s. There are lemons in every brand if not for some parts that are unique only to this aeg which makes parts acquisition/replacement a little harder Id say this is the easiest Gun platform to work on. P.S. Why would you guys play around with the motor height At all? Unless maybe you replaced gears or dismantled it up to your motor?

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