Mac 11 gbb
 

Dear Airsoft experts.

As a lover of both firearms and airsoft I love the MAC-11. Just to clarify the real MAC-11 is a MUCH smaller MUCH lighter .380 only version of the MAC-10. Many airsoft websites call it an “M11.” The M11 is MUCH smaller MUCH lighter MUCH cheaper and crappier version of the MAC-10 in 9mm only. Unlike the MACs no semi auto open bolt version was ever released.

I’m looking for a really really good gas blow back version of the MAC-11 so I can experience the joy of full auto for under $4000 in my own home. About two years ago I got just that (no idea whom the manufacturer was). It’s scary how real this is. The gun dry fires just fine but after extensive testing I found the problem is that the rounds do not load into the barrel properly. They all jam up. This appears to be a design defect I thoroughly disassembled the gun and found nothing wrong.

Another issue is the magazine. The mags sold at my local store are about 5mm shorter than the mag it came with. Hence the gun will dry fire fine but no rounds will load at all. No jams, the bolt will simply never remove the round from the mag at all.

G&P makes a full metal receiver, upper, barrel, and barrel extension which I would love to stain.

Since there are so many different versions of this airsoft I do not know what version to get. Who makes the best MAC-11? KWA, HJC, KCS, or whom? The Maruzen version seems totally different so it does not interest me.

What airsoft would you recommend for G&Ps all metal conversion?

Best place to buy?

Can my current gun, manufacturer unknown, be fixed?

*edit nvm you're in the usa

Aside from the buying part, I think the popular one out there is KSC/KWA version(one the G&P kit was made for). Which had 2 versions. Old one(no longer made), and the new System 7/NS2 one.

Ns2 KWA M11 or System 7 KSC M11 would be what you want. No body kits exist for them yet, the G&P body you're thinking of is for the Pre-system 7/ns2, KSC/KWA M11.

TM is the only company that makes the M10.

I think the G&P lower fits the S7 one, upper and the bolt don't. However, eHobby and UNC both sells G&P kitted S7 Mac-11....so I think there is a way for it to work...

Probably liberal application of dremel. I'd love to hear from someone who's done it though, I love Macs and the G&P kit is a beaut.

We'll see in a couple of days....;)

Thanks for the advice.

Yes, I’m here in the US and was just at the range with my AK47 and Calico 9mm yesterday.

By “where” to buy I was referring to a website.

It seems the bottom line is that there were two versions of this gun, the System 7 and Pre-System 7. (I was told by my local airsoft dealer the System 7 works much much better) and the System 7 clips seem to be the ones being sold now. Remember I mentioned the 5mm difference in magazine feed height.

E Bay sellers don’t seem to differentiate.

Mine is probably a Pre-System 7.

I’d rather have a plastic gun that worked well than a metal one that didn’t.

Now the quandary exists, will the G&P kit work for a System 7, Pre-System 7, or both?

Maybe the custom way is the way to go since there’s a better change the airsoft smith got it to work with whatever system they were using.

Is there any way to correct the feed problem in my system?

I don’t want to spend $100 USD on a new gun and $175 USD on a kit only to find out the two are not compatible. My shooting range still has a real .380 M12 (closed bolt semi version of the MAC-11.) for $440.

As for Tokyo Marui’s MAC-10 AEG. Yes I’ve got one and it’s extremely authentic and fun as hell to shoot. But it’s not open bolt like the MAC-11 GBB which is what open bolt lovers like myself want.

http://www.airsoftglobal.com/product...oducts_id=9977

They also sell the S-7 mag right now...while its still in stock...

Buy the metal ksc it's system 7 and full metal with trades

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=27386

$269.00

Trades are a no-no in the States afaik. They will just get dremeled off by their Customs officials.

Not exactly true....Most shop either cover it with sharpie(removable by acetone), or electrical tape, or sometime some kind of black goo....

Also, the trademark issue(as well as orange tip) applies only to complete gun....if you have it shipped dissembled, most of the time they don't even cover it and I've had no issues...

Update: Today I met with another local airsoft dealer. We thoroughly examined and compared the old and new MAC-11 and found some major difference!

The new System 7 or NS2 and he called it, features a metal stripper just below the gas bolt. This stripper picks up the round and loads it into position. The barrel also features metal a feed ramp attached to the barrel for the round to be loaded. These improvements give the new magazine a lower profile under 5mm, more like 2mm.

The Pre-System 7 or Pre-NS2 lacks a round stripper and leaves a nasty gap in between the clip and barrel.

No wonder the new system is far better. It is almost impossible to tell these small differences in magazine hiegt unless you hold the two right next to each other. This makes buying online hard to tell which system it is.

Modifying my Pre-System 7 gun is impossible since the the bolt, barrel, and magazine well are all different.

Big question, is the G&P metal conversion for the old or new system?

It would seem odd that they would make it for an old system. The new mags airsoft dealers are selling are for the new system.

The dealer said he knows little about which system the G&P metal upgrade is for. It may work on both. Or may work only after a fee alterations.

A custom version may be the way to go but they run pretty high in price. It may be better to first buy the System 7 gun, then the kit. That way I can stain the kit just the way I want it. This way even if they are not compatable, at least I still have the plastic System 7.

The lower can be shared, not the upper or the bolt. At least that seems to be the understanding. But as I said, they sell G&P converted System 7 gun. So there are either 2 kits, or the gun are not that different that the parts can be modified to fit....

OK, now that I know what I need, the question is where to get it?

I mistakenly assumed that if I ordered all my airsoft items through one source I could save on shipping. However www.airsoftglobal.com wants $63 USD for an 8 week delivery!

Redwolf airsoft was slightly more reasonable at $58 -$22 discount = $36. But they do not have the System 7 gun I need.

Can anyone recommend an all round good airsoft website? In the US with reasonable shipping? I will pick up the remaining items on e-bay.

how many stuff did you buy....I've never paid that much for shipping from AG....

My total before shipping was $320. The only big items were the System 7 gun and metal upgrade package.

And 8 weeks for delivery! Talk about a slow boat from China.

Well is should all be here by next Friday. I'll post an update on the project.

OK the kit is here but not the System 7 MAC.

I’m having some trouble fully disassembling the Pre-System 7 gun. Are there any instructions online?

After much work and money, YES the system 7 will work with the metal frame.

The system 7 bolt is very fragile and impossible to repair. They should have a metal bolt.

Hey, do you mean you can fit the G&P metal kit to KSC m11a1 ns2??

Cansoft Mac11 NS2 exclusively.
 

I just bought a used Cansoft Mac11 and I am hoping it is the NS2 system but how can I tell without having both kind of magazines.
Regards.

read up in the thread he tells you what to look for. Round stripper seems to be the easiest thing to spot.


oh and don't double post.

All Cansoft KWA Mac11's are NS2.

System 7/NS2 has a flat top/rubber seal from back of the mag to the feed lip while the pre System 7/NS2 is sloped upward from the back of the mag up to the feed lip!
Aside from the fact that I think the only M11 cansoft version they make is the KWA NS2 which is equivalent to the KSC System 7! Hope this helped!

THE ANSWERS

The NS2 has a metal bolt, but the piston is shitty and wears down or breaks every few thousand rounds. Spares are about $13 each on ehobby.

You can use the G&P steel kit on the NS2 version. And it is the shit. The loading ramp may need to be dremeled/filed down a bit if the piston is catching/rubbing on it. If you don't, within a few hundred rounds you will likely wear down the part on the piston that catches on the BB follower and then it will still work, but it will dry fire when the mag is empty. A temporary remedy for this is to file the "arm" on the piston down so it is flat again. However, that can only be done a few times before it is too short.

Also, watch to make sure the rubber pads on the back of the bolt don't fall off. They'll probably need to be super-glued on. And the hopup rubber soaks up silicone oil really fast, so if you let it sit for a couple weeks after a game, it'll swell and the BBs will be shooting way too high. Solution: buy spare rubbers ($3.50 from KWA USA) and when they swell, soak them in 99% alcohol for a while and then let them dry.

Also... watch the screws on the bolt to make sure they don't get loose. I suggest locktite. The piston also may rub on / get stock on the bolt (you can tell if the paint on the bolt is rubbed off above the piston and if the piston sometimes "sticks" when it goes forward). If that is happening, the top of the front part on the piston needs to be sanded down a bit.

You also want to watch for occasional swelling of other rubber parts and check that the BBs don't look "dirty". The BBs may appear "dirty" because they rub off paint from inside the magazine.

It's really a troublesome gun to use because it isn't really all that reliable, however most issues are minor (once the modifications I stated have been done) and can be fixed on the field in a few seconds (jams) or off the field in a few minutes (switching a swelled rubber, replacing a piston, cleaning). You will get a lot of kills with it in CQB, but you'll also get shot sometimes because you pulled the trigger and it jammed (very swelled hopup rubber or BBs sometimes pop out of the mag and get stuck between the piston and the receiver- easily picked out on field) or dry fired (BBs or the mag follower can lock up if you're not careful or if it is dirty).

It's a really fun gun to use, and the G&P steel kit is awesome, but I wouldn't recommend it to a new player or someone who isn't ready to do a lot of maintenance and deal with its issues, because even with all the modifications, it's still going to jam every few mags and you'll get shot because of it.

For me though, it's awesome. The most fun gun I've ever had, and I'll probably never sell it, but it's a hassle and I always have a backup at the game.

Hello everyone im very new to this forum and the airsoft world. but got a question, can anyone tell me how or if i can obtain a kwa/ksc m11 in canada? i dunno if sound dumb but this type of gun seems so hard to get.

The search bar is your friend

Get age verified.
The classifieds on this site are a great place and so are the retaiers.

WE CANNOT TELL UNVERIFIED PEOPLE WHERE TO GET GUNS.

oh ok thx now im trying to vertify my age. is there any easy way? lol

yeah using this

Aisoftcanada

or reading this

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21

Yup, the easiest way is to simply get verified. Its in person with a rep, you must have ID to prove you're over the age of 18.

32 in the clip and one in the hole? Isn't that a line from Regulators?

It's not hard to get verified, just look up the list of verifiers, and contact whoever is closest.

lol thx guy and no i use biggies line 1 in da chamber 32 in da clip hahaha

Damn I thought I had that one. I blast ready to die when I clean and strip the mac. Between that and NY state of mind I had to get two.

PM'd.

Macs rule, but not for beginners lol. They're worse than a child.

hey guys i got another question.. does crw airsoft ship airsoft guns into canada? or is there a hassle. thx

USE THIS http://www.airsoftcanada.com/search.php?

seriously

READ THIS

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21


YOU CANNOT IMPORT AIRSOFT GUNS

USE THE ABOVE 2 LINKS THEN IF YOU CANNOT FIND ANYTHING POST HERE
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wow that sucks.. so that means its next to impossible to have realistic looking m11. how about retailers besides buyairsoft.ca whitch has like no inventory on "nicer" guns.
thx for the quick reply i almost wasted my money.

here
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/forumdisplay.php?f=8

NOW USE THE FAQ"S OR THE SEARCH BUTTON WE ARE NOT HERE TO SPOON FEED YOUR LAZY ARSE

lol first day my bad

the adivce was posted 4+ times since your first post.
If you actually READ you'd know

ya OK

How old are you anyway?

The name implies that he has thirty two years of life inside of the proverbial gangster magazine.

im 18 i contacted drunk_albertan and will be vertifeid.