Clearsoft GBBR's are here

[Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw]

No I fully understand all this. I just wanted to hear why people like Ken feel that saying "100% Canadian Legal" isn't something that can be easily confusing for new people and would fall under the impression that only clear guns are "legal" to use and own, thus being a marketing ploy. Its being portrayed as a statute that applies to the end user as well where it has little to no bearing.

And this is not to be an attack on Ken, its about all retailers that use the term "Canadian Legal" scheme.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by KenC

None the less it is good to see more variety of LEGAL products available to Canadians

There's already a large variety of LEGAL guns. All the evil black guns are also LEGAL to Canadians.

Once it's in Canada, it doesn't matter. Like was said before, legality because it's clear is purely an issue for importers and retailers, and has no bearing on the end user.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but NO end user has EVER ever been arrested or charged with any crimes for owning or buying a full black gun.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw

Mind explaining why clear receiver guns are any more legal to the end consumer than an all black gun?

Section 96 of the Criminal Code (Possession of weapon obtained by commission of offence).

Guess what? Importing replica firearms for the purpose of sale to the general public is an offence as a result of the restriction on the transfer of prohibited devices set out in section 24(1) and the regulation making sections of the Firearms Act.

As I've said before, I'm not particularly hot about the use of the term "Canadian legal", but I'm even less enthused by the people who attack the term based on some minimal understanding of Canadian law.

And no, just because no one has been charged before doesn't mean the law doesn't exist or won't be applied at some point down the road.

[Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw]

Yeah if you buy from someone knowingly smuggling them into the country. If its someone getting them through a legit BFL holder, but fails to adhere to its regulations of not selling to civies, then its not being obtained by Commission Of Offense.

Then theres also this little tidbit:

"Possession of prohibited weapon, device or ammunition knowing its possession is unauthorized
(2) Subject to subsection (4) and section 98, every person commits an offence who possesses a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, other than a replica firearm, or any prohibited ammunition knowing that the person is not the holder of a licence under which the person may possess it. "

There are too many contradictions and instability for this to be enacted justly, and worth the time and effort of the courts and police officers. Every single LE officer I have spoken to about this (not saying I openly talk about it with everyone with a badge, just ones I feel comfortable discussing with) say that the general consensus of the LE officers is that as long as we use them responsibly and in a safe manner without attracting undue attention then they won't bother. Act like a jackass with it (bringing it in public, showing your friend etc...) then you best learn a lesson.

[KoolAidMan]

This sport is growing and will continue to grow .

At this point why don't we go and try to have the law cleared up theres to much grey area and red tape.

what the clear guns are doing at the moment is allowing anyone to buy these things if we develope a system similar to ukara . it will keep most if not all the people we don't wan't owning them underaged and people with criminal purpose from getting them.

im pretty sure a criminal isn't going to go to 3 games over the course of a few months just to get a plastic toy gun when he can just go out and buy real gun.

[Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw]

You think no one has tried before? Not saying its for nothing but with how stubborn our gov't is, their not gonna change anything without fear of the backlash from soccer moms and people like Miller who think as long as illegal its unobtainable.

[KoolAidMan]

how long ago was it actualy tried ?

I mean with the numbers this sport has now compared to then it might be possible if we propose it with a proper system .

we are still citizens we should have the same freedoms as pellet gun users have at least they are able to bring in what they please as far as i know .

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw

Yeah if you buy from someone knowingly smuggling them into the country. If its someone getting them through a legit BFL holder, but fails to adhere to its regulations of not selling to civies, then its not being obtained by Commission Of Offense.

Wrong. Importing replica firearms using a BFL and failing to adhere to the Prescribed Purposes is an offence. Hell, it's exactly the reason why Will Wong was convicted and serving 2 years minus 1 day, and why many retailers closed down. The Prescribed Purposes are the only activities products imported through a BFL can be used for, and nothing else.

And section 92 doesn't excuse illegal transfers. Never did.

Finally, you guys are complaining about the whole "Canadian Legal" thing being a just a marketing ploy. I point out that it's actually following the text of the law. Now you guys are saying the text of the law doesn't matter because no one has been prosecuted for it.

It seems like you guys just have a general bone to pick with some retailers, if that's the case, please leave the law out of it and go with the actual root of your problems.

[Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw]

No I do believe this is as much about the law as anything since thats the centre of this whole debate.

The issue with this whole thing is the misconceptions arisen from lack of knowledge by the general public. Im not excluding or pontificating myself here or anything so I may very well be wrong, but I just enjoy a good solid debate.

Your Section 96 doesn't apply to airsoft since its still not exactly defined that airsoft is a Replica Weapon. The definition is that it does not fire projectiles which airsoft do. That and "some airsoft guns" is the term used. What is "some" airsoft supposed to mean? As opposed to what? What difference does the law see in airsoft enough to not generalize the definition?

[safx]

Originally Posted by KoolAidMan

how long ago was it actualy tried ?

I mean with the numbers this sport has now compared to then it might be possible if we propose it with a proper system .

we are still citizens we should have the same freedoms as pellet gun users have at least they are able to bring in what they please as far as i know .

Here we go again!

Wait.. you've been on ASC since '05
haven't you been reading since then?
It's all been said and tried by people
with all kinds of contacts. If you want
airsoft to become like paintball, an
acceptable game with the mainstream
guns looking like plumbing tools and
neon motocross uniforms.

Saint is right, you can't buy replicas,
hence why they're prohibs. People
licensed to bring them in, do not
have the authorization to sell them
to the public. They can be transfered
to the right businesses for temporary
use ie: props, cops, museums etc.

Be happy you've got people taking
the risks for your addiction, and forget
trying to sell a rediculous public image
to the soccer-mom community.

[cbcsteve]

Anyway back on topic with GBB-rs

Its definitely going to be a smelly year (propane smells like fart), and a lot of Canadian Tire Managers will be wondering why are their small Propane tank sales going up.

My biggest hope is a gun that can tweak the FPS whilst still using propane. I would hate to have to go through the trouble of getting HFC134a when I can just go to C-tire for propane.

[ujiro]

Originally Posted by cbcsteve

Anyway back on topic with GBB-rs

Its definitely going to be a smelly year (propane smells like fart), and a lot of Canadian Tire Managers will be wondering why are their small Propane tank sales going up.

My biggest hope is a gun that can tweak the FPS whilst still using propane. I would hate to have to go through the trouble of getting HFC134a when I can just go to C-tire for propane.

'Who is camping in the middle of winter?' They will ask, assuming they are only used for mini propane camping BBQs.

[safx]

Originally Posted by ujiro

'Who is camping in the middle of winter?' They will ask, assuming they are only used for mini propane camping BBQs.

Some people use them for outdoor
heaters, smokers on porches etc.
I just buy them for sniffin'

[ujiro]

Originally Posted by safx

Some people use them for outdoor
heaters, smokers on porches etc.
I just buy them for sniffin'

It just smells so darn good, I can see why you would.

That is true though, didn't think of those uses.

[KoolAidMan]

I had forgotten about it .
i've been in hiding for a while.

mabey the next step that gbb manufacturers will take will be to have the guns with a built system to adjust Since they all seem to neglect that not everyone wan'ts to be shot up with 450+ fps guns that aren't snipers .

And propane is extremly accesible any where but intails the high fps compared to hfc.

anyone whos gotten this gun yet actualy tried it with hfc?

and gun that look like plumbing aint my cup of tea. not to mention i don't like paint much and welts that are bigger then a pea .
Bbs don't make whole areas feel sore

also i don't think they tried to sell a pink furry image back in the uk you don't see them using neon coloured or hot pink guns do you ?