G&P M4A1 or TM M4S?

[Suspect187]

Originally Posted by maypf

i want to sell my m4a1...anyone?

You can't sell your gun here. You first have to get verified by a regional representative to ensure that you are at least the age of 18. Then you can sell your gun in the for sale section of this forum.

[dami]

Everyone between G&P M4A1 vs TM M4A1, I haven't seen an actual price in this forum for the weapon(G&P M4A1) or for the upgrades if any are to be considered.
Thanks,
Danny

[Nocturnal]

Originally Posted by iamregan

Thanks so much for your input guys! Actually this about my 7th AEG over the past 2 years of which have all been TM. I tend to buy, try and sell to friends. I definately agree with you on TMs high quality control and well founded reputation. But I decided to go with the G&P M4A1 with upgraded systema internals and a matching metal M203 granade launcher with mos 165rnd bb shower. Take that paycheck!

Thanks again, Regan.

he did state that he used systema internal upgrades. =)

about price tags. look on any of the airsoft retailer sites you can get a rough price from those (eg: Rangers Airsoft)

as for upgrades. I see that for CA, G&P, G&G and ICS need parts switched. There is not definite part that needs to be upgraded because it is different for every gun anyone owns. Sometimes jsut teh spring.. other times its the motor.. the hop up assembly.. inner barrel...

For TM you can use your gun for 10,000+ rounds before having to upgrade any internals.
I havnt heard anyone keeping their NON TM armalites stock because they can't or simply dont like the performance untill they have fixed the problems.

anyway. It's your money. choose how you want to spend it.

[lamlok]

Here is some facts for all the brand, which is comment from my friend who opens a gunshop and operates a CQB game site in HK

TM M4 S-system
exterior: plastic body, plastic SIR,
Structure: weak plastic body, not 1 piece barrel, insturdy SIR
internal: good not original power, not good for high power modification

G&P
exterior: metal body, 1 piece barrel
structure: very sturdy, heavy sturdy RIS/RAS, depending version.
internal: need some minor fix for original, good potential for high power mod.

G&G
exterior: metal body, 1 piece barrel, but unrealistic marking............
structure: very sturdy, light, sturdy RIS, if you opt for RIS version.
internal: good for original power, high ROF, potential for high power mod, but need to change motor if using M120+

ICS
exterior: metal body, 1 piece barrel, real marking
structure: sturdy, best SIR on market if you op for one.
internal: good for original, hard to move up to High power mod due to gearbox design.

[Rumpel Felt]

as for upgrades. I see that for CA, G&P, G&G and ICS need parts switched. There is not definite part that needs to be upgraded because it is different for every gun anyone owns. Sometimes jsut teh spring.. other times its the motor.. the hop up assembly.. inner barrel...

For TM you can use your gun for 10,000+ rounds before having to upgrade any internals.
I havnt heard anyone keeping their NON TM armalites stock because they can't or simply dont like the performance untill they have fixed the problems.

anyway. It's your money. choose how you want to spend it.[/QUOTE]



I think that info would be based on models over a few years old. Even still, say you did have to replace a part its still like 50x cheaper than upgrading a TM. But I havent heard things like this happening with newer models.

[Mantelope]

Originally Posted by nocturnal

For TM you can use your gun for 10,000+ rounds before having to upgrade any internals.

Try 150 000.

[Nocturnal]

Originally Posted by harleyb

Try 150 000.

Keep in mind that I placed a "+" after 10,000.
Who of us really play our guns with that many shots before deciding to upgrade the internals? anyone?

Your stock fps would drop below 200 when you get near 100,000 shots.
my AEG already dropped to 210 and I havn't touched my internals at all yet in my TM AEG (MP5K PDW on 0.20s)

Usually anyone who gets a TM, upgrades metal bushings, spring and spring guide. and down the line decides to upgrade anything else (metal body, ris/ras/sir, full stock/modstock/cranestock, silencers, m203 launchers).

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

I think that info would be based on models over a few years old. Even still, say you did have to replace a part its still like 50x cheaper than upgrading a TM. But I havent heard things like this happening with newer models.

There isn't a problem trying out other full AEG brands.
Usually after you buy a TM, you end up buying metal bodies and other internals from some of those companies anyway (G&G, CA, G&P, Systema).

Even when you buy the newer models of the other brands, people still tickle the internals and start upgrading other parts because they know which parts give them better performance and consistancey. Unless you are fairly new and you just want the best of the best internals.

I do agree, in SOME cases that it is cheaper to go with a FULL Metal Upgraded AEG rather than TM. Either way you will be spending 800+ after everything is purchased and your setup/upgrades are obtained.

[Rumpel Felt]

I don't know about some.............

Say it was like back in the day when the other brands have like a 50% chance of mech box failure...even if you had to replace the entire thing it would still be cheap than all the metal uprades and other accesories that come out of the box with other brands

I would only use TM now for guns like the P90, AUG, FAMAS, Thompson, just basically anything another company doesn't make in full metal or another more realistic material.

I hear CA is coming out with an AUG??or hmm I'm not sure, but if they do it'll be metal

[danielmattison]

actually it won't be metal, because the real aug isn't metal. It will be made out of the same material as the real aug. I would assume it to be very similar to the tm aug because everything inside the aug is metal. but hopefully the body will be really nice and i'll throw one on my tm aug.

[firemachine69]

Got my ICS MP5-A4 today. Beautiful gun, I prefer looks over TM hands down (I knew I was going to get a metal body eventually anyways if I did opt for the TM). All I need now is a charger, and a better piston, few more mags...

A bit to go, anyways. :lol:

[Rumpel Felt]

I think some of the upper reciever is metal on the AUG cause I saw CA selling that seperatly somewhere.

Good job firmachine, thats thinking ahead Smart move!

[danielmattison]

yes the upper reciever on the real aug is metal and it is metal on the tm aswell. everything thats metal on the real aug is metal on the tm, so i think the only thing ca will do is make a nicer body. which would be nice as i heard their g36 has a nicer finish then the tm one.

[Rumpel Felt]

Yes it does indeed, this is why I am almost to the "despision" point for TM. They cut corners not in performance, but in build maily by making plastic bodies when they know a metal one could be used for just a little more. They are more about making money than a realistic product. They don't win much respect in my book because they haven't really stepped outside the box since their first success (working AEG). They have just improved their lame ass PLASTIC bodies.

[Nocturnal]

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

Yes it does indeed, this is why I am almost to the "despision" point for TM. They cut corners not in performance, but in build maily by making plastic bodies when they know a metal one could be used for just a little more. They are more about making money than a realistic product. They don't win much respect in my book because they haven't really stepped outside the box since their first success (working AEG). They have just improved their lame ass PLASTIC bodies.

High Quality ABS = affordable prices?

who says CNC operation is cheap on metal? don't you see those price tags on metal bodies alone? its like half the price of a TM gun.

i agree it's an awesome feeling to the gun in full metal (ive owned full metal guns, TM based).

ABS is all you really need for this sport anyway unless you plan on making some serious dives into ditches or any other crazy unnecessary stunt you do in airsoft games. you do that crazy stuff Rumpel?

It is great in the long run for the DIY (do it yourself) Airsofter to get the Full Metal Guns, but not everyone in this sport knows how to troubleshoot their own airsoft rifles, or they just prefer letting local airsoft gunsmiths do the work. OR they just know have a nak for certain companies when choosing upgrade parts for their guns. (ILLusion = 1 upgrade fanatic)

**You do not need to change parts in TM guns** but because people want more power, they do it as soon as the get the damn gun. (besides changing to metal bushings, you can do that after 100,000++ rounds )

i think if you really put a "Pros" and "Cons" list, there are things that will appeal to different people.

[Rumpel Felt]

You are right yes. It does depend on the player totally.

Mabey something should be put in the FAQ about saving money in the future like warning people that if they are in it for realism that TM should probly be their last choice. Just so that they don't take the advice most say "go with TM" and then end up regreting it when they look at their $1200 TM gun upgrade bill then look over and see all the work they just did for $600 out of the box.

Personal choice, some are okay with plastic some need it to be next to real. Like me.

Oh and by the way yes I am quite a crazy player, I am still fully abled to run around all day pulling of poser matrix moves and diving into trenches. (or falling haha) Even if I was slow and steady, I'd still prefer a metal gun just for the big manly feel. Which is how it relly is with real guns anyway.