Why is the M4 so popular?

attack-beaver · February 13th, 2008, 01:10

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Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

Donster, Id probly grab whatever was closer and loaded!

same here i dont care what it is if it fire and kills i'll grab it.

Omi-san · February 13th, 2008, 01:10

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Originally Posted by kos

It can be used efficiently by right, and left handed shooters.

Uh? Since when? Other than the deflector, there's nothing for the left-handed on it.

mcguyver · February 13th, 2008, 01:16

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Originally Posted by Omi-san

Uh? Since when? Other than the deflector, there's nothing for the left-handed on it.

For years now. StagArms left handed uppers and ambi mag release FTW!!!

Donster · February 13th, 2008, 01:47

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Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

Donster, Id probly grab whatever was closer and loaded!

very true, but you understand the point i was trying to make. the 416 is better. dont get me wrong, i love the M4. later on in my airsoft career, im going to to build a Zombie Killer M4. but in real life, the 416 is better.

Brian McIlmoyle · February 13th, 2008, 01:49

Because is it the most popular western MBR on the planet? Maybe?

From an Airsoft standpoint.. if you are emulating a soldier from the largest western army .. then you are going to be toting an M4

416... is marginally better... but not significantly so thee is no good reason to replace the M4.

You see special forces going to 416s because simply. they have the budget.. so why the hell not?

matt491 · February 13th, 2008, 01:55

Because it's so incredibly versatile! You can build any kind of platform off it. Throw on a nice scope, tightbore barrel with a silencer and a bi-pod and she's a decent sniper! Lose the scope, put on a RDS and lose the bipod and you got a great assault weapon. Shorten the barrel, throw on a vertical grip and a tac-light and you got an awesome CQB weapon. You can do almost anything with it.

Lakonian · February 13th, 2008, 02:08

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Originally Posted by Omi-san

Uh? Since when? Other than the deflector, there's nothing for the left-handed on it.

The only thing that isn't ambidextrous is the ejection port, and selector.

The selector isn't much of a problem after you find the right technique. Everything is easy as pie. Reloads are pretty quick.. Would be quicker if I didn't have to worry about 60$ mags.

Blacksheep · February 13th, 2008, 02:28

I am right handed for most things but I shoot left handed. The AR15 M4 variant works best for me. I own four of them and I love them all since they are all customized and therefore different.

I have a few other guns as well but I always pick up an M4 to take to a game. They are just a well balanced user friendly AEG.

White_knight · February 13th, 2008, 02:35

as far as it concerns us, if its an aeg they are all the same. same maximum effective range, same accuracy, same caliber, same so on and so forth. basically we just have different metal and plastic shells, so an argument about the strong and weak points of m4's is moot. brass ejection direction, gas operation and FTF instances really dont mean much to us now do they. if you like the m4's looks, buy it. like an mp5? get that. want an AK? dont let me stop you. i just feel that all this ... "fanboyism" is rather trivial. you cant ask "why do people like this over that" when it comes to something as subjective as that. real steel sure, each have some thing over the other. but here in Airsoft...no. i mean why do people like sunflowers, why is starbucks so popular, why cant people believe its not butter, how come my fandangle curves up like a banana, and why the tavor not in airsoft yet... everyones gunna have an opinion, but in the end i still wont know what my point is.

p.s. im not trying to offend anyone, its 1:30 and im rambleing.

cheers and goodnight.

Turd · February 13th, 2008, 04:15

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Originally Posted by tunabreath

Everyone wants to be like Marine Force DeltaSEAL Rangers. And what do they use? (at least, before some of them picked up the 416

)

Plus then they can win at irony and run LIKE KENYAAANNNNSSS

LOOOOOOOL "RACE AS FAST AS KENYANS THEN THERE WILL BE A TIE AND GET DEPORTED BACK TO KENYAAAAAAAA"

sigsour · February 13th, 2008, 11:59

This is just rhetoric guys, we are just philosophizing here. Some have already answered this question, but I noticed that some are a bit off-track.

The point is that we are all fantasizing right? Airsoft operates the same regardless of the gun, so it pretty much boils down to "which gun would you like to fantasize about". All these arguments about the 416 being more expensive are moot. Who cares about cost? We are not talking about the real gun, we are talking about your fantasy gun.

I would have thought that most people would like to fantasize about being kitted out with the best that money can buy - AS IF - they were a special forces member with a high budget. Or do most just prefer to role-play the bottom of the barrel grunt? (and I mean that with the utmost respect ;-) ) - actually that last statement relates to how they are generally treated from a military budget perspective, as opposed to what I think of regular infantry per se.

Also - back to my second post - if you retrofit an M4 with a 416 upper receiver - can you tell the difference aesthetically? At the very least, I can pretend that my M4 has a 416 receiver - or am I out of luck?

Blackthorne · February 13th, 2008, 12:07

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior

Unit cost is $1500 US thats pretty high cost for a rifle at this low quality.

The US military ain't paying $1500 per rifle man...that's civvy pricing..

Even Diemaco is only asking $733 per C7 last time I saw paper run under my nose...

Sergeantmajor · February 13th, 2008, 12:09

yes, your out of luck.

the 416 upper has a piston system, the M4 and other AR platform have a gas tube, which is significantly smaller, piston is bigger, and if IIRC all the 416 have a rail system fore end.

sigsour · February 13th, 2008, 12:33

No - I'm talking about a retrofit. Some units do not buy a 416 - just the upper receiver so the rail system fore end will not look any different I would suppose. What *might* look different is the OUTSIDE of the upper receiver. Sure - obviously the INSIDE has a piston - everyone knows that. But we're talking about airsoft, not the real gun - will the OUTSIDE of the upper receiver look significantly different, or can an M4 airsoft gun pass as one of these real-life retro-fitted M4s with an M416 upper receiver?

Danke · February 13th, 2008, 12:56

http://www.heckler-koch.de/HKWebText.../1928/337/4/19

Yes H&K does sell groups that will retro onto a lower receiver. Follow the link and check the pictures

I'm pretty sure in this world we're visiting now some companies make a dress up kit to convert a regular M4. You wouldn't have their grip, stock, and trades on your lower and that really seems to bug some people if they're not 100%.

From further digging there are some on the horizon but they're newer so not many have entered airsoft service. The VFC 416 which is nice but expensive and harder to find now and the JG/Echo which is also new and by reports surprisingly nice and being snapped up by anyone who can sniff one out.

I'm waiting on a JG myself. I have the VFC SCAR so I didn't want to dump another wad on a "backup" at this point. If I really like the JG then I'd get a VFC but I suspect I'd ditch the PEQ battery box.

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February 13th, 2008, 01:49	#35
Brian McIlmoyle 8=======D Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	Maybe? Because is it the most popular western MBR on the planet? Maybe? From an Airsoft standpoint.. if you are emulating a soldier from the largest western army .. then you are going to be toting an M4 416... is marginally better... but not significantly so thee is no good reason to replace the M4. You see special forces going to 416s because simply. they have the budget.. so why the hell not? __________________ Brian McIlmoyle TTAC3 Director CAPS Range Officer Toronto Downtown Age Verifier OPERATION WOODSMAN If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite

February 13th, 2008, 02:35	#39
White_knight Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006	as far as it concerns us, if its an aeg they are all the same. same maximum effective range, same accuracy, same caliber, same so on and so forth. basically we just have different metal and plastic shells, so an argument about the strong and weak points of m4's is moot. brass ejection direction, gas operation and FTF instances really dont mean much to us now do they. if you like the m4's looks, buy it. like an mp5? get that. want an AK? dont let me stop you. i just feel that all this ... "fanboyism" is rather trivial. you cant ask "why do people like this over that" when it comes to something as subjective as that. real steel sure, each have some thing over the other. but here in Airsoft...no. i mean why do people like sunflowers, why is starbucks so popular, why cant people believe its not butter, how come my fandangle curves up like a banana, and why the tavor not in airsoft yet... everyones gunna have an opinion, but in the end i still wont know what my point is. p.s. im not trying to offend anyone, its 1:30 and im rambleing. cheers and goodnight. __________________ Burnaby / Vancouver area Age verifier

February 13th, 2008, 11:59	#41
sigsour Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Calgary	This is just rhetoric guys, we are just philosophizing here. Some have already answered this question, but I noticed that some are a bit off-track. The point is that we are all fantasizing right? Airsoft operates the same regardless of the gun, so it pretty much boils down to "which gun would you like to fantasize about". All these arguments about the 416 being more expensive are moot. Who cares about cost? We are not talking about the real gun, we are talking about your fantasy gun. I would have thought that most people would like to fantasize about being kitted out with the best that money can buy - AS IF - they were a special forces member with a high budget. Or do most just prefer to role-play the bottom of the barrel grunt? (and I mean that with the utmost respect ;-) ) - actually that last statement relates to how they are generally treated from a military budget perspective, as opposed to what I think of regular infantry per se. Also - back to my second post - if you retrofit an M4 with a 416 upper receiver - can you tell the difference aesthetically? At the very least, I can pretend that my M4 has a 416 receiver - or am I out of luck? __________________

February 13th, 2008, 02:28	#38
Blacksheep Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Okanagan BC	I am right handed for most things but I shoot left handed. The AR15 M4 variant works best for me. I own four of them and I love them all since they are all customized and therefore different. I have a few other guns as well but I always pick up an M4 to take to a game. They are just a well balanced user friendly AEG.

February 13th, 2008, 12:09	#43
Sergeantmajor Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada	yes, your out of luck. the 416 upper has a piston system, the M4 and other AR platform have a gas tube, which is significantly smaller, piston is bigger, and if IIRC all the 416 have a rail system fore end. __________________ "Lieutenant John Chard: The army doesn't like more than one disaster in a day. Bromhead: Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their breakfast." - ZULU (1964)

February 13th, 2008, 12:33	#44
sigsour Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Calgary	No - I'm talking about a retrofit. Some units do not buy a 416 - just the upper receiver so the rail system fore end will not look any different I would suppose. What might look different is the OUTSIDE of the upper receiver. Sure - obviously the INSIDE has a piston - everyone knows that. But we're talking about airsoft, not the real gun - will the OUTSIDE of the upper receiver look significantly different, or can an M4 airsoft gun pass as one of these real-life retro-fitted M4s with an M416 upper receiver? __________________

February 13th, 2008, 12:56	#45
Danke Prancercise Guru Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Danger Zone	http://www.heckler-koch.de/HKWebText.../1928/337/4/19 Yes H&K does sell groups that will retro onto a lower receiver. Follow the link and check the pictures I'm pretty sure in this world we're visiting now some companies make a dress up kit to convert a regular M4. You wouldn't have their grip, stock, and trades on your lower and that really seems to bug some people if they're not 100%. From further digging there are some on the horizon but they're newer so not many have entered airsoft service. The VFC 416 which is nice but expensive and harder to find now and the JG/Echo which is also new and by reports surprisingly nice and being snapped up by anyone who can sniff one out. I'm waiting on a JG myself. I have the VFC SCAR so I didn't want to dump another wad on a "backup" at this point. If I really like the JG then I'd get a VFC but I suspect I'd ditch the PEQ battery box.

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