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So JG guns are 350-450, G36C being 350. So where do MP5s stand? What JG guns are better than G36C for the +$100?
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May 28th, 2007, 20:03
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Well in my opinion, i think it's not the model cause like you say the G36C is probably the best of the JG guns...
I think it depends on what accessories you take with it blablabla... And well, from what i know, i don't think Jing Gong got any MP5 models... I know about the G36C, the M4, and the w16-4 but i don't know about anything else... Oh and i think they did a "Desert Eagle" model... |
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May 29th, 2007, 23:21
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"That's cause you don't know what your talking about"
Well sorry sir"... I know 2 peeps and both have a TM and a CA... One of them have a JG G36C and a TM G36C and apparantly he got problems with the G36C from TM and not with JG yet.... And the JG have a freekin CA Gearbox can you tell me what more do you want for a 350$ gun. ( tax-in and everything so it's more about a 280$ gun ) It comes with the batterie, charger and everything. The TM one doesn't come with anything, 60-70 fps less than the other one, gearbox is almost cheaper than the JG one and it's a fact. Well the guy told me precision, velocity, reliability, and material is almost exactly like his TM exept that he IS way more powerfull and that he got some problems with his G36C.... Maybe you could try one before talking next time and stop thinking the "big names" are the best... TM is maybe a great name and sells stuff $$$ for good quality but it doesn't mean that everything below "TM" is cheaper. JG are starting getting better and better in their replicas and i can tell you that for 200$ less than the TM, with more power, better GB, same material, with batterie, chargermagazine etc i will buy it way before the TM... And if you still think i don't know what im talking about well show me how smart you are by explaining your opinion instead of just saying things like "thats cause you don't know what your talking about". Union. |
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May 30th, 2007, 01:26
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For starters:
1 - Prove it's a Classic Army mechbox (Something tells me that's hearsay) 2 - explain the benefits of a CA mechbox over a Marui mechbox (Legend has it that the stock TM V3 mechbox is notoriously hard to kill) 3 - explain how an extra 60 feet/second in velocity makes the gun superior if it comes at the cost of other problems (see next point for elaboration) 4 - provide evidence that the extra velocity isn't a comprimise for any number of the following things: shot consistency / hop-up quality / mechbox longevity / battery life / etc. 5 - Suggest perhaps that you understand you're taking a quality control risk when buying a clone product, and that the money you're 'saving' is generally a gamble: -----There's the possibility of different tolerances, fit and finish differences, material differences, different manufacturing processes - all of which can contribute to any number of problems which are historically "less likely to occur" when buying a product from a company such as Tokyo Marui. (take a look at the "Airsoft Gun Long-term Reliability" thread and read a little about the TM G36C) 5.5 (addendum) - Substantiate the claim that they use the "same materials" 5.57 (add-addendum) - Substantiate just about everything you stated... 6 - consider the fact that the charger and battery you're recieving with the product are produced under similar conditions to the knock-off gun you just bought, and factor in the likelihood of replacing them with better/more functional items after a certain period of time. (what a waste that'd be...) 7 - Your "2 peeps with the guns" story doesn't have any information about the history of the guns involved, and only goes so far as to say "no problems with the JG yet". ----- If he's owned it for 3 hours, and the TM has undergone upgrades / been abused / etc., then you're not proving anything. ----- Tax in would make it about a $315 dollar gun (multiply that by 1.13, I could have punched it in wrong) 8 - ... etc. I don't personally have anything riding on this thing, and I guess I don't really give a damn what you buy, but it's silly seeing someone who doesn't seem to know what they're talking about trying to justify a preference just because they're having their views on it challenged. So in summary: you're being silly, and who gives a damn what people think? If you still figure you're right about this whole thing, buy a Jing Gong and prove everyone wrong. Last edited by Mysteryfish; May 30th, 2007 at 01:33.. |
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May 30th, 2007, 06:56
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If my memories are correct, the first Jing Gong guns came at buyairsoft.ca not even 6 month ago, how can they have proven any durability yet. Isn't that too early to talk about its durability?
And i read here somewhere that it is not CA gears that are inside, its another compagny that uses the same initials. Supposed to be TM gears made out of better metal or something like that. But my only experience coming from what i read over the net, i can,'T talk much. but from what ive read in many forums, new and old players gave good rating for the JG G36C and seem to complain only about over-lubed mechboxes and the loud sound it makes.
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May 30th, 2007, 11:17
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Suffice it to say there will always be TM/CA/other high-priced brand name fanboys (read: "How To Tell If You're A Fanboy"), and there will always be players looking for budget gear.
Some "hardcore" players will only accept "the best", and they will not waiver on its quality and shit on anything else. To try and tear one or the other down is stupid; If it meets the user's needs, then who gives a fuck. All this I'm-more-knowledgeable-than-you-and-here's-proof ego stroking provides no new information or insight. If you want a cheap(er) gun that may or may not last as long as a TM/CA/etc, then get a JG or other clone. If you want the reliability of a tried-and-true brand, then get a TM/CA/etc. I have an SRC M4 and it has served me very well, I would recommend it to anyone. People have said that they are shit, but for me it works great. I've already proven its worth to the lads I play with here in Ottawa, most of which were pleasantly surprised. This doesn't mean I'm not knowledgeable in airsoft guns, or that I think its great because it's my first gun and I've never used a TM/CA/etc... not true, I've had 4 other guns, all TM (one of which, I might add, was brand new, complete shit and barely worked after a month). My SRC is of equal caliber, in my opinion. Of course, with a clone, quality control is in question, so you can either get a piece of gold, or a lemon.
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May 30th, 2007, 11:54
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Alot of heated arguing over such a simple thing lol
Droc summed it up nicely— it's all about "value for money". If a JG G36c costs under $90 in HK and a TM one $230 then you shouldn't expect to pay nearly the same mark-up over here in Canada. But since it's a desperate market and JG's offer a nice profit margin, you can expect them to go for what ever the desperate are willing to pay. Buy what ever you can afford, stop bitching on ASC and get out and shoot your buddies.
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I bought a JG G36C from buyairsoft.ca in March. It was $275 before tax. I only pay the GST as I live in BC so I don't have to pay both GST and PST. It came to $291.50 tax included before shipping. Shipping was another $26.50 for Canada Post for a total of $318 including tax and shipping. I am hoping that Ken will be able to provide the guns for a similar price. His initial quote of $350 is definately not bad, but it doesn't include shipping. He apparently has no problem price matching, and assuming buyairsoft gets back on its feet, will most likely be able to bring the cost down closer on par to buyairsoft.
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May 30th, 2007, 13:49
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So $318 for the JG G36 for tax and shipping is a great deal, especially since the gun seems to be well made. Like a previous post said, it is hard to talk about long term reliability as they are half a year old or so. But considering they shoot fast and hard, come with battery and charger, etc for that price it is worth the risk. I always tell myself...if my JG G36C has a catastrophic break down...I'll upgrade to a TM since I have all these accessories that'll fit on the TM. Until then I'll keep on using my JG. I'm a little over 9000 rounds now...and not a hiccup.
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May 30th, 2007, 18:23
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lol Mysteryfish i know what you mean when u say that i give only good comments about this gun cause i have a view on it...
Well it's not necessarily this... I got some comments from a person that i know so that help alot... I wasn't sure like everyone of you at the begining but now i am.... 1 - Well it is not "hearsay" for the "CA" gearbox... I found this : http://cheapos.forum2jeux.com/La-Che...-AEG-t1534.htm And they say "marquage CA sur la gearbox" wich means that there's "CA" "Classic Army" right on the Gearbox... Look at CA gearbox if you don't believe me... http://cheapos.forum2jeux.com/La-Che...-AEG-t1534.htm So now you got proof it is a Ca... 2 - I didn't mention the fact that having a CA was an advantage over the TM but well.... the fact that it shot harder may be an advantage like i said... 3-4-5 - Well for the mechbox longevity, go ask Classic army if they do cheap gearbox or not...I think we all know the answer...for the velocity, i got it right here : http://cheapos.forum2jeux.com/La-Che...-AEG-t1534.htm Go see the reply of the guy named Kila.93....the last reply... he tested it with a chrono and he got a minimum of 349 fps and a max of 359 fps...For the longevity, like i said it's a CA so i think you could keep the gun for a good long time....And the only other reason is that i know someone that never got any problems...maybe it doesn't mean that much to you but well... hmm for the story of the gun, the guy got it like 6 month ago... Maybe it's not long enough to tell if it's a trouble gun but well.... Well i hope i responded to a couple of your questions, and go read some reviews you'l see it'S better than what you think im sure... Oh and buyairsoft.ca gives it 5/5 everywhere... * Weight: 5/5 * Feel: 5/5 * Performance: 5/5 * Overall: 5/5 Thanks, Union. Last edited by Union; May 30th, 2007 at 18:26.. |
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Just a thought on the C.A. marked gears used in the Jing Gongs, there is always the chance that to make exact duplicates of the gears they simply did direct casts of the Classic Army gears and didn't bother to remove the companies initials from the mold (seeing as the chinese companies don't really give a hoot about copywrite laws for the most part). <----(speculation for the sake of fun)
The issue about quality for price is a tough one seeing as by the whole manufacturing costs are much higher in Japan so that could account in part for the large price gap. Jing Gong MAY be using the exact same quality of materials that TM or CA does, we really have no way of knowing for sure (at least at this time). <-----(more fun with speculation) All speculation aside, only time will tell if the Jing Gongs are worth their price. Heck, I'm willing to gamble on it and have ordered a couple for loner/backup guns so maybe further down the road others will be able to learn from the experiences of myself and whoever else buys the JGs. So until then let's not say that Jing Gong is the Holy Grail of airsoft and let's also not say that only companies that charge for $450 + Canadian can make a decent weapon (there's no need for fussin' and fightin'). Just my thoughts. Happy gaming everyone, -Dr.
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