crossman ak-74 spetznaz

[Darklen]

Airsoft Elitism


We're not talking about who spends more, we're talking from experience. If you want to run an play with the Crossman, that's you're business. We're just trying to tell you, it's no comparison to other guns that are not a whole bunch more cash. An Aftermath Kraken goes for around $150-$180 last I looked and is fully TM compatible, so when a part does fail, it's easy to replace. The Crossman on the other hand is a BIC gun. Use it until something fails, then toss it and get another one. Unless you have some lying around for the parts, you won't find replacement components. The Kraken is also upgradeable, the Crossman is what it is and nothing more.

It's rather entertaining that many new site members with the Crossman/DPMS type clear guns get so offended when those of us who've been playing many, many years tell the the straight up about their guns, Then, those same new members get a decent quality AEG (I have several Krakens i my rental fleet and I've very minimal issues with them) and see what we're talking about.

There's nothing wrong with playing with low end entry level guns, everyone has to start somewhere. If you're playing with guys who all run with similar guns, no problems. If you go to a PDW (Regina) game however, you will be so horrifically outclassed, even by some of the more inexpensive, basic guns there, it won't be funny. Unless you're very good at being uber stealthy, you're going to be disappointed at your guns performance.

As far as not being able to find retailers with full black/metal guns, you're just not looking hard enough. There are rotating ad banners on the top and bottom right of this site and other than Ehobby, they are all within Canada. There's also the AV Retailers area you'll have access to once you get age verified. There is an online retailer in Saskatchewan in that area. I'm not aware of any brick & motor stores in SK (or even MB for that matter) but we have 3 in Alberta, all carry full black/metal AEGs.

[Strelok]

I hate this whole 'Cheaper is Better' mentality people are sporting all the time :/

[pusangani]

Lol waste of your time because we didn't bullshit you and boost you up with lies saying your gun was good?

Read FAQ, airsoft isn't illegal, full black guns are legal to own just not to import.

Then get av'd buy a real gun and come back here and apologise for doubting us, we can be a very forgiving bunch

lol and the 'resticted/not for civilian use' sounds like you've been looking at 007's website, there are retailers that sell black/metal airsoft, you will know who they are once you are av'd

[TokyoSeven]

Originally Posted by Darklen

Airsoft Elitism


We're not talking about who spends more, we're talking from experience. If you want to run an play with the Crossman, that's you're business. We're just trying to tell you, it's no comparison to other guns that are not a whole bunch more cash. An Aftermath Kraken goes for around $150-$180 last I looked and is fully TM compatible, so when a part does fail, it's easy to replace. The Crossman on the other hand is a BIC gun. Use it until something fails, then toss it and get another one. Unless you have some lying around for the parts, you won't find replacement components. The Kraken is also upgradeable, the Crossman is what it is and nothing more.

It's rather entertaining that many new site members with the Crossman/DPMS type clear guns get so offended when those of us who've been playing many, many years tell the the straight up about their guns, Then, those same new members get a decent quality AEG (I have several Krakens i my rental fleet and I've very minimal issues with them) and see what we're talking about.

There's nothing wrong with playing with low end entry level guns, everyone has to start somewhere. If you're playing with guys who all run with similar guns, no problems. If you go to a PDW (Regina) game however, you will be so horrifically outclassed, even by some of the more inexpensive, basic guns there, it won't be funny. Unless you're very good at being uber stealthy, you're going to be disappointed at your guns performance.

As far as not being able to find retailers with full black/metal guns, you're just not looking hard enough. There are rotating ad banners on the top and bottom right of this site and other than Ehobby, they are all within Canada. There's also the AV Retailers area you'll have access to once you get age verified. There is an online retailer in Saskatchewan in that area. I'm not aware of any brick & motor stores in SK (or even MB for that matter) but we have 3 in Alberta, all carry full black/metal AEGs.

You sound like a fortune cookie!!


Anyways, bigsky welcome to ASC.

We will get you "straightened up" and "learnededed goood" in no time. Airsoft is not something a person can read about and understand and cram into their brain in a week or so. Like many things in life it is a continuing on going learning process.
Fortunately you have this website as a fantastic resource of information.

[bigsky]

alright so it turns out ive been looking at some pretty heavily overpriced retailers, my bad. did some digging around on some retailer sites that are linked on this forum, and found some interesting stuff. specifically i was looking at this one, has type two metal gearbox and aside from the plastic receiver its exactly the platform i want to build on.

http://www.torontoairsoft.com/produc...id_product=138

it seems fine enough, but obviously i cant tell the decent guns from the trash, since they all look the same and obviously they all say "high quality" on the package haha.

'nother stupid question, since i have an m4 (its a peice of crap too.) and i have a few metal housing high-cap mags, are m4 mags gonna work with the m416?

[L473ncy]

Wait.... are we talking about like "real" (as in good) mags? (Not sure if the Crosman is actually compatible mag-wise).

Anyways, most mags are all cross compatible between high quality brands. The only problem you *may* have is fitment and tolerances, with some people having to wrap hockey tape (or similar on the mags to give it a bit of bulk and others having to file off a bit of material from the mags to get it to fit.

Secondly AFAIK it's a rebranded JG (which is a clone but not that bad for a "real" starter gun). Definitely better than Crosman and Aftermath, it's in the same level as the newer CYMA's and such (not as good as say a TM, G&P, or VFC).

[TokyoSeven]

Keep in mind the model you are looking at is a modeled after a 416 style armalite.
Its front end and upper receiver have a slightly higher rail than most other models.
What Im trying to say is if you eventually choose to purchase a different front end or metal receiver down the road, you will have a height and alignment difference between the two parts.

[Statua]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

Wait.... are we talking about like "real" (as in good) mags? (Not sure if the Crosman is actually compatible mag-wise).

Anyways, most mags are all cross compatible between high quality brands. The only problem you *may* have is fitment and tolerances, with some people having to wrap hockey tape (or similar on the mags to give it a bit of bulk and others having to file off a bit of material from the mags to get it to fit.

I like this part as the aftermath kraken is compatible with TM compatible mags and its a mid-quality gun. (low-quality being crossman and high being CA, TM, etc.) My friend however who bought a M4 from wal-mart (I laughed at him for wasting money too) has the same magazine as a G&G M4 (I was fixing the windup or whatever its called as it would only wind 1 bb then overtorque. Don't make fun of my under-trained ASG vocabulary. I just fix it =P). I kinda went o.0?...

On topic. I like how you use the same red dot I bought from a friend for $5 till I find a good one... (or have the money lol. damn co-op cut back my hours the past 3 weeks)

[L473ncy]

... The M4 from Walmart has the same mag????

Anyways, yeah just pop it in and see what happens, whether you need to add some bulk (via hockey tape or similar) or need to slightly file away a bit of material from the mags.

[Ktown Militia]

Originally Posted by pusangani

This is like someone buying a lambo kit for their Pontiac fiero and coming to a lambo forum to discuss actual lamborghini's lol

+1, hit the nail right on the head.

[Spike]

The crossman AK takes "real" airsoft mags too.

[bigsky]

again, this is less like asking about a fiero on a lambo forum, and alot more like asking about say, a 2.4 mustang on a modified mustang drag racing forum. its the same ballpark, its all meant to look and do the same thing, some are just better or more expensive than others, and its a gearhead crime to say this, but theyre all the same anyways except for the guts so why flame? either way if youre going to insult me, at least be somewhat reasonable about it.

anyways.

the idea of fitment of new parts is something im not concerned with right now, but its something worth bringing up since i do end up modifying the hell out of everything i get my hands on. bad habbit. is there a better 416 out there? im not overly farmiliar with current brands as it seems like every site has their own, or about 50 variations...

and yes, i have the shitbox walmart m4. its crappy, the barrel isnt even straight with the reciever for god sake. but it came with a full metal high cap. mag, so did my crossman ak. also the crossman has a partially metal body, and apparently a metal gearbox. either way the thing shoots straight, and fast, hits pretty damned hard and seems pretty stout, so for half the price of a better gun id be hard pressed to say its less than half as much of a gun, in all honesty.

anyways thanks for the input.

[DoctorBadVibez]

Originally Posted by bigsky

again, this is less like asking about a fiero on a lambo forum, and alot more like asking about say, a 2.4 mustang on a modified mustang drag racing forum. its the same ballpark, its all meant to look and do the same thing, some are just better or more expensive than others, and its a gearhead crime to say this, but theyre all the same anyways except for the guts so why flame? either way if youre going to insult me, at least be somewhat reasonable about it.

anyways.

the idea of fitment of new parts is something im not concerned with right now, but its something worth bringing up since i do end up modifying the hell out of everything i get my hands on. bad habbit. is there a better 416 out there? im not overly farmiliar with current brands as it seems like every site has their own, or about 50 variations...

and yes, i have the shitbox walmart m4. its crappy, the barrel isnt even straight with the reciever for god sake. but it came with a full metal high cap. mag, so did my crossman ak. also the crossman has a partially metal body, and apparently a metal gearbox. either way the thing shoots straight, and fast, hits pretty damned hard and seems pretty stout, so for half the price of a better gun id be hard pressed to say its less than half as much of a gun, in all honesty.

anyways thanks for the input.

I am not going to flame you or anything, please understand me when I say (or type) the following; I used to think along the same lines as yourself when it came to building a well balanced Gas Blowback Rifle, oh where to buy, why are these prices so damn high, will I get a Gas Rifle again? I don't wan't plastic... etc etc... Then I got AV'd and it was a world of difference, I don't have to give my wallet a heart attack every time I get wood for a pistol or a new part. The amount of info you learn can easily save you a shed load provided you purchase a good base model to build on. As restricted as you think it is right now to get a full metal Airsoft gun in Canadia (ha!), it's actually easier and cheaper than you can imagine.
All these guys who have retailer tags can't even help you because the sport needs to be protected. One fool with a TM metal slide Glock under his waist shootin' his left nut in a TTC or equally shitty public transportation facility or vehicle or street or store, is all it takes for this sport to turn into an outlawed thing in Canada (like enjoying a cigarette while at a BAR and not out in the frocking cold, damn them!).
Long story short, get AV'd and your life will change. I have to go now, my wife is at work and I'm gonna go and stroke Lucille, my SR16, yeah she's full metal...

[MOARPOWER]

No flaming, just have some statements/ questions.

1.) It is not all the same. But I do get what you're trying to say. A Toyota Corolla and a Ferrari Enzo are both cars and they get you from Point A to Point B, but there's a reason why an Enzo costs $750,000.
2.) It is meant to look like the same thing, but I'm not sure about DOING the same thing. If you did bring it to a game, it is highly possible to be out shot by many modded guns out there.
4.) IMO, having a full metal gun allows for realism and a kind of satisfaction that you just cant get with a clearsoft gun from Canadian Tire.
5.)There are WAY better HK416's out there, like the one from VFC, and a JG one that T7 did a extensive review on. But in order to acquire these guns, you need to get Age Verified.
6.) There are different kinds of metals that gearboxes are made out of. The higher end companies (CA,VFC,RS etc)'s metal gearboxes are vastly superior to Crossman's pot metal gearboxes (correct me if im wrong here.)
7.) What kind of bb's do you, shoot with those guns that
makes it shoot "fast and straight" ?
8.) Have you been to an organized game ? I don't know the age limit in Saskatchewan

[cjboi]

Originally Posted by pusangani

It isn't an AEG it is crapsoft, we dont discuss that stuff here

hahaha I like the crapsoft part --> we dont discuss that stuff here! lmao you crack me up dude