CA M15a4 or G&P M4?

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by ratnest

ca has issues with wobble?

Earlier CA bodies have horrible fitting issue, but the newer ones are good, I had a chance to fondle a New BNIB CA M15 a few days ago and I have to say their QA are improving the fitment issue are gone

[ThunderCactus]

Like I said, you need to shim G&P gears or they break right away. They have weak gears but everything else is good

[-Nemesis-]

First you gotta ask yourself if you want to upgrade anything other than cosmetics.

I have a CA M15A4 I spent a little more than $1900 on it including the gun. Yes I know, I could have gotten other things.

Long story short, BRAND NEW IN BOX WITH GROUNDED GEARS (new gears installed), next... piston nozzle broke (new piston), then... tappet plate snaps (new tappet plate), new 150 spring... blah blah blah... the only thing that is stock is the motor and gear box.

Pros:
I admit that CA has really nice metal bodies and tight secure rings for your foregrip and their solid construction. Solid as a rock

G&P respond better and their lighter in weight slightly.

Cons:
CA: Internals not as great.

G&P: External not as great.

[ThunderCactus]

I dont know if CA has changed their paint in the last year, but G&P has always had a nicer (less shiny) finish to it as well

[Amos]

I had the chance to handle a BRAND NEW 2009 model G&P... and I must say the metal used and the finish is a much higher quality than recent CA.

If you have unlimited funds, go for a G&P, CA is the more "Budget" version in my opinion.

[yuhaoyang]

I've put a crap-load of money into a complete overhaul of a very old CA M15A4, and I've had no fitment issues at all...

[Crunchmeister]

Originally Posted by wildcard

You do know that stock TM M4 only use a 8.4 mini. when you run the 9.6 nunchucks your chance of shreding the internals almost doubled.

Yeah, I realize that. I didn't at the time, but I do now. The point I was trying to make is that out of the box, CA have much stronger and better guns than TM for the same money. They can take upgraded springs, large batteries, etc without any other foolery required.

TM mechbox and gears are shitty metal. They're ok at 280 fps with small batteries, but otherwise, gears are shit. And their mechbox shells are weak and suck IMO. I'd never waste another penny on a TM AEG. The only TM AEG that I can easily say is vastly superior in every way to the 'equivalent' model on the market is the M14. Otherwise, I'd take a JG over any TM and just reshim and make the small upgrades required and I'd have a better gun.

But back on topic, I'm a big fan of CA.

[yuhaoyang]

Actually some TM gears in an AK have held up to ~380fps quite well.
The metal isn't bad, but I think that the V2 mechbox is indeed too weak to be using TM metal.

[ThunderCactus]

Well in their defense, the TM's were never actually meant to be used over 300fps (Japanese laws). So despite being ultra tough at 300fps, they have a high tendency to break down REAL quick over 350fps

Thus you'd have to replace EVERYTHING on the inside to go past 350 and eventually everyone wants a metal body... That's why I say sell your used TM when your done with it and buy a whole other gun, much cheaper lol

[Crunchmeister]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Well in their defense, the TM's were never actually meant to be used over 300fps (Japanese laws). So despite being ultra tough at 300fps, they have a high tendency to break down REAL quick over 350fps

Thus you'd have to replace EVERYTHING on the inside to go past 350 and eventually everyone wants a metal body... That's why I say sell your used TM when your done with it and buy a whole other gun, much cheaper lol

This I'll have to agree with 100%. They were never intended for anything other than their stock velocities and an 8.4V battery. Upgrading a TM is a rather expensive path if you want both performance and durability. You really are better off buying a new, full metal gun as an upgrade.