Help with guns

[Sawstink]

Speaking of which, G&P or Classic Army models of this gun are in the classifieds? They might be too expensive.

Sidenote:

http://velocityarms.ca/index.php?mai...roducts_id=193

http://buyairsoft.ca/catalog/product...roducts_id=455

Ripoffs? I am aware that these are different models.
I noticed that the same guns in the US are selling the same guns for a fraction of the price...

[kalnaren]

Well, I happen to think the halfbreeds (the half-clear guns) are overpriced considering you can get full black ones for the same. The quality isn't bad though.

[Sawstink]

Well, all I can find at the moment is an M4 halfbreed s-system

[Gunny_McSmith]

then a SHORTER gun will suit you more....

[Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw]

Well if you get out to a game theres usually an AV Rep on site (at most major games at least), Brian at TTAC3 is an AV Rep, he also hosts games and events regularly. You live in Toronto and have a plethora of reps you can meet up with, some might even be willing to meet you somewhere of your choice if its within reason. If you're 18 or older and want to obtain airsoft, then this is one of the only ways without having to resort to the halfbreeds.

What I find is when people skirt around the issue of getting AV'ed its usually (but not always) another way of saying "Im underage". If that is the case then save your time, and money until you turn 18, and you will thank yourself as well as us for that.

[Sawstink]

Ok thanks guys, I have decided on this:
http://buyairsoft.ca/catalog/product...roducts_id=455

As far as accessories go, I was looking at a decent scope and was wondering if barell extendors or lasers are worth it. You guys have been a real help, thanks a bunch

[kalnaren]

I think the buyairsoft ones are completely plastic/nylon/whatever, and don't have the metal upper.

[Sawstink]

It says Metal / heavy nylon. I think the rails, fire selector, trigger and maybe the sights are metal and the rest is nylon. All I am looking for is a starting gun though

[Muffin]

Originally Posted by Sawstink

Ok thanks guys, I have decided on this:
http://buyairsoft.ca/catalog/product...roducts_id=455

As far as accessories go, I was looking at a decent scope and was wondering if barell extendors or lasers are worth it. You guys have been a real help, thanks a bunch

I wouldn't extend the barrel of an M16 seeing as they are already quite long. Lasers are also useless IMO. Also be ware that certain lasers are not allowed at public games, as some are powerful enough to do some damage with a quick pass over the eye.

Personally I would suggest an M4 for that reason that you have the ability to use it for the field and CQB(I love to be versitile).

[Sawstink]

I wouldn't extend the barrel of an M16 seeing as they are already quite long. Lasers are also useless IMO. Also be ware that certain lasers are not allowed at public games, as some are powerful enough to do some damage with a quick pass over the eye.

Originally Posted by Muffin

Personally I would suggest an M4 for that reason that you have the ability to use it for the field and CQB(I love to be versitile).

Ok thanks. I just like the feel of longer guns for some reason, makes me feel more powerful I also would like a gun with a good rail system, as both the M16 and M4 have.

Side note: http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-gg-m16.htm

G&G M16 RIS:


Metal upper receiver, full length Rail Adaptor System and removable rear sight assembly,
- Smoked clear Combat Machine lower receiver
- Nylon fiber pistol grip, and one piece hop-up chamber
- 14mm- threaded one piece metal outer barrel, high capacity fixed butt stock
- Steel gears, metal bearings, bearing metal spring guide, nylon fiber piston and piston head set
- Metal Parts: flash hinder, front/rear sights, outer/inner barrels, 20mm rail on upper receiver, trigger, bolt stop, fire selector, ejection port cover, trigger guard, magazine, front/rear sling mounts, forward assist knob, charging handle, RAS rails.
- Package: Airsoft gun, Magazine, Manual, 9.6V 1400mA Battery, Wall Charger, Shooting Glasses.

So it does have a lot of metal on it, price being $392 + GST.

that VS:

G&G M4 CQB

- Metal upper receiver and removable rear sight assembly
- Smoked clear Combat Machine lower receiver
- Nylon fiber pistol grip, vertical grip, RAS panels and one piece hop-up chamber
- Metal Rail Adaptor System
- 14mm- threaded one piece metal outer barrel, special force crane stock (battery holder)
- Steel gears, metal bearings, bearing metal spring guide, nylon fiber piston and piston head set
- Metal Parts: flash hinder, front/rear sights, outer/inner barrels, 20mm rail on upper receiver, RAS Rails, rear sight assembly, trigger, bolt stop, fire selector, ejection port cover, trigger guard, magazine, front sling mount, forward assist knob, charging handle
- Package: Airsoft gun, Magazine, Manual, 9.6V 1400mA Battery, Wall Charger, Shooting Glasses.


I really like the look of both these guns, I am just concerned with the difference in accuracy. Keep in mind I would be playing mostly woodland and outdoors (I don't know if outdoors riddledwith small sheds and stone walls would be considered CQB)

I know the M4 would suit my style better, but for some reason the M16 looks a lot more appealing to me.

Would it be possible to compare these two items concerning accuarcy, ROF, versatility, and upgradeability? You guys are a big help. Thanks


EDIT: I would also be shooting at longer distances and be on the move a lot

[Muffin]

The guns are virtually the same aside the obvious cosmetic differences. The only difference would be accuracy at long range. You would more then likely find that you have tighter groupings further out with an M16 over an M4.
But still, both can be upgraded to have the same outcome.
For the final word, you know how you play and you know what would better suit your needs and game style. Get whichever you'd be happiest with.

[Sawstink]

Thanks guys, you have all been very helpful. I will be sure to get ASC's opinion and views in the future

[hattrick]

I already like this guy ^

[Sawstink]

Basically everwhere I read, it says get the M4, because it is superior for CQB, and it can just be upgraded to 1up the M16 for woodland... THIS DECISION IS DRIVING ME INSANE!

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by Sawstink

Well slap my ass and call me Sally. Basically everwhere I read, it says get the M4, because it is superior for CQB, and it can just be upgraded to 1up the M16 for woodland... THIS DECISION IS DRIVING ME INSANE!

If you're having difficulty, I suggest you go out to an airsoft game and ask some of the players if you can handle their guns. See how they feel, how well they fit your size, etc. Most airsofters are more than happy to help someone out like this.