Buying fisrt gun advice and help please. Thanks

[pusangani]

what's a BBG?

[theshaneler]

G&P M4 for the win!
as much as my KJW m9 angers me for being a gas consumption whore its a good gun!

[wx850312]

Originally Posted by pusangani

what's a BBG?

sorry that is GBB my mistake

[wx850312]

Originally Posted by The Saint

For pistol, get that KJW KP05. It's the simplest answer to what you're looking for.

For AEG, I'd recommend a M4 over a MP5 for you. Easier to get the battery in and out, better mags, simpler to get inside of if something went wrong.

Problem with M4s is that there are so many different variations, could you be a little more specific? Fixed stock or adjustable stock? Railed foregrip or non-railed? What kind of sights? Etc. Pics of what you'd like if possible.

And for the record, I'm not spoonfeeding you, I'm merely having a chat with a new airsofter.

Hey Saint, Thank you very much again.

i think the pic is what i want, but i read adjustable stock has problems, as it loose after a while ?

should i go with Fixed stock ?

Thanks

[m102404]

Get the most solid AEG that you can. When it comes down to it...and with few exceptions...they're essentially fancy shells that hold a mechbox. CA makes a great, externally, M4.

The KWA M4's a good...but there's some mechbox parts that I'd change out right away...or at least take a close look at.

Most of the other makes are very nice as well.

Don't buy an all metal AEG if you're going to bitch about how heavy it is...you'll come off as an a**.

Pistols are relatively inexpensive (not Illusion's...I mean most earth-bound pistols). As a broad generalization, for most people...they are not worth repairing (or at the very least they are a pain and it's relatively expensive to do repairs). So...either get a good reputable one...or get the cheapest thing you can so you can toss it when it breaks. But remember...buy cheap, buy twice.

Hicapa's rule. That's just a personal thing. 4.3 for combat, 5.1 for everything else. They're an excellent and robust platform on which to do upgrades....in fact they're so easy to upgrade that they're usually upgraded to the point that they no longer work properly .

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by m102404

Don't buy an all metal AEG if you're going to bitch about how heavy it is...you'll come off as an a**.

ROFL!

Real men buy M14s to complain about the weight.

Anyways, so the M4 he's asking for is the most generic M4A1 possible. Almost every company mentioned earlier makes one one like that. I've not heard about stock issues particular to any of them, but it's natural for things to work itself loose over time. Not a big deal.

With a pistol eating up a good part of your $800 budget, G&P and KA are out. Their extra-fancy externals cost extra much.

You are left with KWA, ICS, CA, STAR/ARES and G&G.

ICS and STAR/ARES both use atypical mechbox designs that allows for quick spring change. If you like that, they are worth considering, especially the STAR/ARES, because they are said to be externally one of the best M4s even when compared to more expensive guns.

If you're looking for a more basic, generic full metal M4, G&G, CA and KWA are your best bets. G&G is the most affordable, KWA is the hardest performing, CA is in between. I personally own a G&G, no problem with it.

[wx850312]

Originally Posted by The Saint

ROFL!

Real men buy M14s to complain about the weight.

Anyways, so the M4 he's asking for is the most generic M4A1 possible. Almost every company mentioned earlier makes one one like that. I've not heard about stock issues particular to any of them, but it's natural for things to work itself loose over time. Not a big deal.

With a pistol eating up a good part of your $800 budget, G&P and KA are out. Their extra-fancy externals cost extra much.

You are left with KWA, ICS, CA, STAR/ARES and G&G.

ICS and STAR/ARES both use atypical mechbox designs that allows for quick spring change. If you like that, they are worth considering, especially the STAR/ARES, because they are said to be externally one of the best M4s even when compared to more expensive guns.

If you're looking for a more basic, generic full metal M4, G&G, CA and KWA are your best bets. G&G is the most affordable, KWA is the hardest performing, CA is in between. I personally own a G&G, no problem with it.

Great help thank you very much.
going to read more review on CA and G&G.

btw just wondering if budget not a problem then G&P and KA are the best ? what part are they good at ? beside extra-fancy externals ?

Thanks a lot.

[KND]

If the budget is not the problem, you can go on with G&P since most of their gun are good out of the box without any upgrade. I can't doubt quality for KA since I don't have one to use yet, still if your budget is not a really problem at all, go to PTW. By the way, please don't flame by asking noob go to PTW for the first gun. . It's just my two cent.

KND

Originally Posted by wx850312

Great help thank you very much.
going to read more review on CA and G&G.

btw just wondering if budget not a problem then G&P and KA are the best ? what part are they good at ? beside extra-fancy externals ?

Thanks a lot.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by wx850312

btw just wondering if budget not a problem then G&P and KA are the best ? what part are they good at ? beside extra-fancy externals ?

Good internals in the current G&P, not sure about KA. Biggest thing about KA is all their fancy externals. They build a lot of elaborate M4s.

From what I understand, STAR/ARES external quality is comparable to G&P and KA.

[wx850312]

Thank you very much guys, great help.

hopefully i can get my first gun soon.

Thank you very much again

[Kuro_Neko]

I was a noob a couple of months ago and had many of the same questions as you have with much the same budget.

I did extensive research and settled on the Tactical Carbine version of the CA M15A4. I think it's the best of all possible CA's Armalite versions. You have the shortened M4 carbine barrel, which makes you less likely to smack your barrel off something when turning quickly, combined with the full stock which houses a large battery. Small batteries don't have near the run time of a large battery, not to mention that the reinforced slip ring (the ring that keeps the fore-grip on) is really stong. While this is mostly a good thing and a big step up over CA's previous M15 versions, it makes changing small batteries in the field very difficult if not impossible.

CA's M15A4 series in general is a big step up over their previous versions and as far as stock armalites go they're probably the best. All metal where the real steel version is, the plastic parts where the real steal version is plastic are made of good quality plastic. CA has a deal with Armalite so you get all the proper markings. Plus that deal also goes to show the quality of the manufacture, Armalite wouldn't put their name on a shoddy product.

Internally the gearbox is reinforced metal and all the gears are metal as well. It fires hotter stock then TM's as well, firing at 300-320 fps where your average TM only fires 280-300 fps.

All in all this is a great starter gun if you can afford it. Because it's all metal you don't have to worry nearly as much about breaking it and you won't get any of the wobble that is infamous in stock TM M4/M16's. Unfortunately affording it is the biggest problem, they're not cheap.

As to sidearms, I have a KJW M9 Elite IA which has served me very well. It's full metal and solid. I have no worries about breaking it. The only problem with KJW is that the mags are alittle finicky, you need to take good care of them otherwise they tend to start leaking. That's fine if all you're looking for is a backup piece. If you're looking for a pistol that's going to serve at least some of the time as your primary (CQB or such) then you might want to look elsewhere. Alot of people rag on KJW for gas guzzling. I haven't found that at all. At 20C weather I can get two and a half full (25rd) mags before I run out of gas. Even in 12-14C weather and rapid fire I can still get a full mag off no problem.

I got my CA M15A4 from the classifieds, upgraded with a bunch of Systema internals to fire 380fps, for $600 shipped. And I got my KJW M9, also from the classifieds, for $225 shipped and that included 2 perfect condition mags.

One of the perks of going with an M16/M4 variant is that mags are dead easy to come by and dirt cheap. You can get Star real caps for like $5 a mag or less. GBBs of any make, on the other hand are expensive in terms of mags, about $40 or so per mag and are more fragile then AEG mags.

Hope this helps you. If you have any other questions I'd be happy to pass on my limited experence. Feel free to PM me.

Kuro_Neko

[diamond_SEA]

My advise for a first timers GBB is the HFC m190 (m92). its a stong, full metal, heavy workhorse. it was my first GBB and it always worked for me (but i babied it). plus, they come in semi auto and select fire models, if you want to get crazy with full auto.( they do have freezing issues one full auto so dont go crazy with it).

[jesster202]

id get a kjw m92 if you like that look and any g and p is great for full metal starter gun!

[Amos]

G&P are excellent, only thing I'd recommend is opening the gearbox and shimming them before use.

As for pistols, I personally am a big fan of whatever the market has support for... I like KSC and TM. Sure KJW may come "full metal" ... But it's not a good quality of metal at all + It's cast.

For GBB's you want the slide to be as light as possible... That's why I <3's Shooter's Design CNC'd aluminum slides.

[jesster202]

yes but ksc is awesome for glocks but he wants a m92 so kjw is awesome for the m92 varient as i have had mine for a year now and it still shoots hard and stright no mag problems either too. it all depends on what you have to spend allthough tm makes a good m92 but their metal kits are expsive and in the end they still are the same as kjw