Looking for options that are under 24 inches

Styrak · July 2nd, 2008, 00:48

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Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

An AUG is also a good choice like Styrak mentioned. It should easily fit your case when disassembled. And its bullpup design gives it a long barrel rifle in a compact package that's easy to manoeuvre in the field.

Also, I'm going to be getting/making a CQB barrel for it. The whole gun will be shorter than an M4 but will have a longer barrel.

Luckless · July 2nd, 2008, 00:51

How close are most airsoft barrels compared to their real world counter parts? The airsoft P90s have a similar body and barrel length to its real world version as far as I can tell, which it a longer barrel than a lot of standard carbines that I'm seeing. Most reviews of TM's P90 comment on how it really isn't out classed by other stock TM long rifles.

All the reviews of AUGs I'm seeing talk about minor issues like a wobbly front handle from all the companies I've found that make one. Is this something hard to pull off and replace? I'll likely end up rebuilding a lot of parts just because I like having my own highly custom stuff.

The big question is, how much is one of either going to set me back in Canada? (I see US prices for TM P90s at $250, but the only site I've seen with one in Canada was over double that.)

I should also likely think about a side arm, but I might just get uppity and machine my own pre-compression spring six shooter. I would rather not use something that takes a gas, anyone have a suggestion? I guess an FN Five-seveN would be the most match to a P90, not really sure if there is anything that 'matches' an AUG.

The Saint · July 2nd, 2008, 00:53

Expect Canadian markup to be ~150-250%.

Non Credo · July 2nd, 2008, 00:58

oh lawd AUG people. run.

mmmm.... methinks.... if your style is always to get closer before opening up... Me, Id go with a any CA M4 with a crane stock and put one of the really tiny JBU foregrips on. Dont know exact length, but with the whole kit, (RIS & barrel set), installed its about 6 inches from front of receiver to muzzle.

Advantage: Mags are extremely easy to find, not so with AUGs, (and unless youre using 68rnd locaps, P90 maqs pretty much suck), metal M4 midcaps are durable as all hell, (recommend S-Arms over G&P), HUGE battery capacity, and metal body. As Jimski said, AUGs dont like being dropped, the same goes for P90s. And im betting youre not going to find a rail system for an AUG or 90.

Disadvantage: definitely more expensive than any AUG or P90. Perhaps heavier as well. If you do end up going AUG, good god dont, at least get a CA AUG, and if you go P90, again, wait and get the CA.

Non Credo · July 2nd, 2008, 01:01

dont get a Five-seveN, either. I realize the real thing kicks ass, the airsoft version, (only ever tried in 8 mil), is good for shooting pens jammed down the muzzle across the room. thats about it. Cant hit shit with it, and i believe its HFC134A only.

Styrak · July 2nd, 2008, 01:11

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Originally Posted by Non Credo

Advantage: Mags are extremely easy to find, not so with AUGs

As Jimski said, AUGs dont like being dropped, the same goes for P90s.

AUG mags are just as easy as M4 mags to find.

And what gun DOES like being dropped? M4's certainly don't either.

Luckless · July 2nd, 2008, 01:26

I'm not overly worried about things likely breaking if they drop, I'll gather the bits and either remill a steel/aluminum part, or use ABS plastic. I just don't really want something that feels like it will snap in my hands if I try bending it slightly (Which the TM M4 I borrowed today felt like), or take excessive damage from being knocked against something while diving for cover.

Not looking for something out of the box that I can expect to drive over and then pick up and fire like a real AK.

Styrak · July 2nd, 2008, 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luckless

I'm not overly worried about things likely breaking if they drop, I'll gather the bits and either remill a steel/aluminum part, or use ABS plastic. I just don't really want something that feels like it will snap in my hands if I try bending it slightly (Which the TM M4 I borrowed today felt like), or take excessive damage from being knocked against something while diving for cover.

Not looking for something out of the box that I can expect to drive over and then pick up and fire like a real AK.

Custom built all metal M4? (shorty or regular length)

I can help you with that

Crunchmeister · July 2nd, 2008, 08:52

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Originally Posted by Luckless

Not looking for something out of the box that I can expect to drive over and then pick up and fire like a real AK.

If that was the case, I'd say grab a Real Sword Type 56-1 rifle. All real steel externals that can take the same punishment a real AK can. The folding stock makes it quite compact, but probably not as compact as you'd like for your case.

Kos-Mos · July 2nd, 2008, 10:07

An AUG was my very first rifle.

You need to have a good... wrist. The gun is very back heavy, and long games/firefights will put a lot of strain on it.

Also had a P90... and strugling to find a other one. By far the niciest gun to use.

Also, over time I found that rail systems are not needed in airsoft. What can you add... vert grip? Both the AUG and P90 already have it built in the gun.
tac light? P90 TR version and AUG with a side mount can do it. It is not that usefull to have tacticool rails everywhere.
grenade launcher? try to find a situation wher you really would have an advantage using the airsoft "launchers".

The V3 and V6 mechoxes are the most sturdy around.

The only draw back is for the magasines. The Aug magasines are easy to find, but P90's are hell of a bitch to get.
In your case, that would not be a problem, but P90 mags are long and hard to find pouches that will fit it. You can use some 200 balls tube pouches and fit 2 in each.

Jimski · July 2nd, 2008, 11:29

if you want something short and versatile it's really non-logical to go for non-bullpup configuration.
You'll end up with a shorter barrel and crappy precision, and a folding stock that makes it thicker when in the rifle bag.

for the wrist part, I have and AUG and an Mp5k, and once you've added the flashlight and doubled the magazines, any gun with a forward magazine will be a hell of a lot wrist-bending than any bullpup.
once loaded like a mule with gadgets, a bullpup has most of the weight in the middle (scopes and lights) and rear (magazines or double-magazines).
it's obviously easier to balance the barrel up to reload.

however, having the big stock in the way takes some time getting used to because it feels bulky.

I suggest you suffer a while with a classic configuration so that when you change for a bullpup you can really enjoy it

Luckless · July 2nd, 2008, 13:25

I suffer enough with classic configuration in Paintball, and I don't even have a stock on my marker currently. (Not to mention my dislike for top mount hoppers, I'll hopefully replace that with a bottom mount inline drum feed by the end of the year)

The bullpups seem to be a tad rare in the classifieds, and I'm thinking the P90 is going to interest me the most. From reviews it doesn't appear to have the AUG's flaw of back weight, and the small compact size fits my play style.

So, how much can I expect to pay for the AEG P90, charger, battery, 4 real cap mags, a high cap, and anything else that I'll need to use it? I would rather buy new than used.

Skruface · July 2nd, 2008, 13:50

AKSU - short, accurate, and reliable, with easy to find replacement parts.

Plus, Russian hardware rules.

/thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Non Credo

Me, Id go with a any CA M4 with a crane stock and put one of the really tiny JBU foregrips on. Dont know exact length, but with the whole kit, (RIS & barrel set), installed its about 6 inches from front of receiver to muzzle.

You mean like my stubby?

Crunchmeister · July 2nd, 2008, 13:51

They pop up in the classifieds from time to time. It's not a regular thing. The best to do is wait patiently until one appears, then leap on in when it does. It's hard to really give you a price. Now that you're age-verified, search the sold guns section. That will give you a bit of an idea of price.

Silent_Angel · July 2nd, 2008, 13:51

New P90 is hard to come by, Since Shootsoft is down ftm, and 007 is out, once you can get into the classified send one of the retailer a pm and see if they can get it for you. totall you will be looking at 600-1000 I think since brand new ones are around 500 here (at least thats what I got mine for)

I gotta say its a very solid and compact gun, great in CQB.
battery can be obtained from cheepbattery and mags can be imported for cheeper price (if its not the TM lowcap one with the dummy rounds those will be stop by the customs), charger depends on how much you want usually from $32-all the way to $200.

And you need pouches, Not too sure where to get one for molle vests, but the only one I 've seen is drop leg pouch by guarder which holds 3.

$1000 is usually a start up average for airsoft I believe, but.... This "hobby" is like an addiction, you always want new guns.

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July 2nd, 2008, 00:51	#17
Luckless Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlottetown, PE	How close are most airsoft barrels compared to their real world counter parts? The airsoft P90s have a similar body and barrel length to its real world version as far as I can tell, which it a longer barrel than a lot of standard carbines that I'm seeing. Most reviews of TM's P90 comment on how it really isn't out classed by other stock TM long rifles. All the reviews of AUGs I'm seeing talk about minor issues like a wobbly front handle from all the companies I've found that make one. Is this something hard to pull off and replace? I'll likely end up rebuilding a lot of parts just because I like having my own highly custom stuff. The big question is, how much is one of either going to set me back in Canada? (I see US prices for TM P90s at $250, but the only site I've seen with one in Canada was over double that.) I should also likely think about a side arm, but I might just get uppity and machine my own pre-compression spring six shooter. I would rather not use something that takes a gas, anyone have a suggestion? I guess an FN Five-seveN would be the most match to a P90, not really sure if there is anything that 'matches' an AUG. Last edited by Luckless; July 2nd, 2008 at 00:58..

July 2nd, 2008, 00:53	#18
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	Expect Canadian markup to be ~150-250%. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

July 2nd, 2008, 00:58	#19
Non Credo Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: couch	oh lawd AUG people. run. mmmm.... methinks.... if your style is always to get closer before opening up... Me, Id go with a any CA M4 with a crane stock and put one of the really tiny JBU foregrips on. Dont know exact length, but with the whole kit, (RIS & barrel set), installed its about 6 inches from front of receiver to muzzle. Advantage: Mags are extremely easy to find, not so with AUGs, (and unless youre using 68rnd locaps, P90 maqs pretty much suck), metal M4 midcaps are durable as all hell, (recommend S-Arms over G&P), HUGE battery capacity, and metal body. As Jimski said, AUGs dont like being dropped, the same goes for P90s. And im betting youre not going to find a rail system for an AUG or 90. Disadvantage: definitely more expensive than any AUG or P90. Perhaps heavier as well. If you do end up going AUG, good god dont, at least get a CA AUG, and if you go P90, again, wait and get the CA. __________________

July 2nd, 2008, 01:01	#20
Non Credo Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: couch	dont get a Five-seveN, either. I realize the real thing kicks ass, the airsoft version, (only ever tried in 8 mil), is good for shooting pens jammed down the muzzle across the room. thats about it. Cant hit shit with it, and i believe its HFC134A only. __________________

July 2nd, 2008, 01:26	#22
Luckless Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlottetown, PE	I'm not overly worried about things likely breaking if they drop, I'll gather the bits and either remill a steel/aluminum part, or use ABS plastic. I just don't really want something that feels like it will snap in my hands if I try bending it slightly (Which the TM M4 I borrowed today felt like), or take excessive damage from being knocked against something while diving for cover. Not looking for something out of the box that I can expect to drive over and then pick up and fire like a real AK.

July 2nd, 2008, 11:29	#26
Jimski Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Montreal	if you want something short and versatile it's really non-logical to go for non-bullpup configuration. You'll end up with a shorter barrel and crappy precision, and a folding stock that makes it thicker when in the rifle bag. for the wrist part, I have and AUG and an Mp5k, and once you've added the flashlight and doubled the magazines, any gun with a forward magazine will be a hell of a lot wrist-bending than any bullpup. once loaded like a mule with gadgets, a bullpup has most of the weight in the middle (scopes and lights) and rear (magazines or double-magazines). it's obviously easier to balance the barrel up to reload. however, having the big stock in the way takes some time getting used to because it feels bulky. I suggest you suffer a while with a classic configuration so that when you change for a bullpup you can really enjoy it __________________

July 2nd, 2008, 13:25	#27
Luckless Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlottetown, PE	I suffer enough with classic configuration in Paintball, and I don't even have a stock on my marker currently. (Not to mention my dislike for top mount hoppers, I'll hopefully replace that with a bottom mount inline drum feed by the end of the year) The bullpups seem to be a tad rare in the classifieds, and I'm thinking the P90 is going to interest me the most. From reviews it doesn't appear to have the AUG's flaw of back weight, and the small compact size fits my play style. So, how much can I expect to pay for the AEG P90, charger, battery, 4 real cap mags, a high cap, and anything else that I'll need to use it? I would rather buy new than used.

July 2nd, 2008, 13:51	#29
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	They pop up in the classifieds from time to time. It's not a regular thing. The best to do is wait patiently until one appears, then leap on in when it does. It's hard to really give you a price. Now that you're age-verified, search the sold guns section. That will give you a bit of an idea of price. __________________

July 2nd, 2008, 13:51	#30
Silent_Angel Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2005	New P90 is hard to come by, Since Shootsoft is down ftm, and 007 is out, once you can get into the classified send one of the retailer a pm and see if they can get it for you. totall you will be looking at 600-1000 I think since brand new ones are around 500 here (at least thats what I got mine for) I gotta say its a very solid and compact gun, great in CQB. battery can be obtained from cheepbattery and mags can be imported for cheeper price (if its not the TM lowcap one with the dummy rounds those will be stop by the customs), charger depends on how much you want usually from $32-all the way to $200. And you need pouches, Not too sure where to get one for molle vests, but the only one I 've seen is drop leg pouch by guarder which holds 3. $1000 is usually a start up average for airsoft I believe, but.... This "hobby" is like an addiction, you always want new guns.

Looking for options that are under 24 inches

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