high speed vs high torque

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Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

I was wondering about motors as well. I have a CA M15A4 rifle. I've upgraded all the internals except the gears with System parts, and upgraded the spring to a Prometheus MS110SP. The motor is the stock Classic Army motor.

My rate of fire is about the same as it was before at about 12 bb/s. I'd like to increase that a bit, but not drastically. I know a 9.6V battery of higher capacity would do that (and have one on order). But I would also like to increase the response time from when my trigger is pulled to the time it fires. I was thinking that a high torque motor would be able to cock the spring a lot easier and possibly get me a higher rof as well in the process.

So, am I correct about this? Would a high torque motor increase firing response and only slightly increase my rof? I don't want my gun turning into a BB hose that empties a midcap in 3 seconds, and I fear that's what I high speed motor would do.

Just wait for the 9.6 to come in.. if you have a systema motor pulling a 110 is more then enough... you will be surprised on your rof with the 9.6... once you have that battery you will complete the circuit for reliability...Right now your 8.4 battery is stressing too much but your motor demands motor power.

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by Berny » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:01 pm

Helical Gear Set: The teeth that connect the sector gear and the spur gear are cut at an angle. This causes less stress on any one tooth because it has more teeth touching and spinning is not in an outward direction but into the gearbox. There is one exception to the helical gear set. You muct use a particular piston. The bevel gear has the teeth all the way around. The side of the gear that allows the piston to fire forward has one half the side of the teeth cut. So you have to use a piston that also has half the side of the teeth cut. The Helical Gear Set comes with the piston.

All Helical Gear Set: Has teeth cut at an angle on all of the gears. Also the bevel gear has the smooth side so it can be used with the original piston.

Flat Gear Set: Is cut with the original specs. These gears are made out of a denser metal and Teflon treated like the other gears.

High Speed Gear: Increases the rate of fire. Do not use a spring stiffer than M100. This gear also gives lower delay time between trigger pull and fire.

Standard Gear: Cut to original specs. Recommended to use a M120 or less due to the strain on the motor.

Torque Up Gear: Designed to be used with a M130 to M140 spring. All of the torque up gears will slow the rate of fire a little but reduce the strain on the motor caused by the gear. The greater the torque up the slower the rate of fire.

Super Torque Up: Designed to be used with a M140 to M150 spring.

Ultra Torque Up: Designed to be used with a M150 to M160 spring.

Infinite Torque Up: Designed to be used with a M160 to M200 spring.

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Just my two cents.

Be careful going for a high speed setup. It can be very costly, and that's not even towards the end. Just as a personal reference, I thought that you could introduce a high speed motor into a stock gun. Do not do this. You'll hate yourself for it. I'm not sure if high torque requires the same things yet, haven't delved into it very far yet, but high speed requires that you basically revamp your gearbox.

One of the first things I noticed that needed to be replaced was the shims. Unless of course you have metal shims already, I wouldn't be too worried. One of the things with a high speed that I'm aware of, is that you need a reinforced mechbox, preferably 7mm, or 8mm. Reason being that because your ROF is so much higher, your gearbox is functioning that much faster, and you could potentially crack your gearbox, and obviously that's a boo-boo. I could be wrong on this one, but you also need to upgrade your bushings to solid bushing fo the appropriate mm (7mm solid bushing if you havea 7mm reinforced gearbox, etc). Bearing bushings are apparently bad idea, I'd need confirmation on that though.

You'll also need to replace your cylinder and piston. A smoother cylinder results in less friction with your piston, which results in less heat, which results in less problems. From what I know, stock cylinders are not the best things you could have. A new piston is a must. I saw an example of someone who used a high speed motor without changing to full-metal teeth, and the teeth on his stock piston were chewed to pieces. All your other lovely parts also must be replaced with metal parts, if you haven't already. This means your spring guide, cylinder head, and air nozzle. You may also need to downgrade your spring. My personal opinion would be to go for a S100/M100 spring. You can't go above that, I'm not sure what the direct consequence is of going above that, maybe someone else can fill you in on it, but just don't do it. Going to a S90 or M90 may benefit you more, not sure though. You'll also need a new tappet plate, especially if yours in just a stock plastic one. Even if it's a stock metal one, I'd recommend upgrading it just in case. I'd also recommend a sorbo pad. Your gearbox won't suffer as much of a beating with one. You'll also need high speed gears, obviously. Stock gears just won't cut it. I'm surprised I didn't shred my gears when I put my high speed motor in.

Like I said, I'm not sure if high-torque is this high maintenance early on, but high speed, from what I understand, will require you to upgrade everything accordingly before you can even think about fielding it. Also, high speed = less accuracy. So unless you play indoors all the time, I'd suggest not going high speed. You'll just end up going through an entire mag trying to get a hit on someone, and then maybe not even hitting them. Just for the love of God, if you are going to go high speed, make sure you're completely fitted for it, and not half-way upgraded. I'd hate to see you come back asking how to fix something resulting from not being properly upgraded