I can't get my gun to work after upgrading...

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

try it with a weaker springer

Thunder Cactus from his first post

Originally Posted by Omi-san

I changed back to the stock spring to make sure my new one wasn't faulty.

[Cushak]

Sounds similar to a problem I had on my M4, you're motor is not spinning, but you can hear it trying too, right? I think my problem was two fold, seating the motor was very finicky, had to be just right, and there was a short in the wiring somewhere I believe.

Shadow (from PDW) fixed it for me, so you'd have to talk to him for more detail.

[wKnight]

people always forget to upgrade the motor when they dump a heavy spring into a TM. The stock TM motor really isnt made for much more than the stock spring. granted it should still work with a 140... but it wont sound pretty

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by wKnight

people always forget to upgrade the motor when they dump a heavy spring into a TM. The stock TM motor really isnt made for much more than the stock spring. granted it should still work with a 140... but it wont sound pretty

That's a rather absurd piece of advice. I've used Marui eg1000 motors in upgrades as high as 450fps without them having to struggle too hard. Yes, ROF gets reduced, and the motor does sound like it struggles a bit harder, but it works fine and it doesn't sound like it's going to die. Such upgrades have lasted for years.
As long as you upgrade the gearset accordingly to provide the appropriate torque, Marui motors will do fine.

[CDN_Stalker]

No shit! False info.

[brently0725]

I stripped the handle on my TM MP5 SD5 and I used a product we sell where I work at Lordco in BC. It's in a tube and it's like a JB weld. You cut a chunk off and mix the two parts together.

[HellRanger]

And those this have to do with the problem described in the first post?

Originally Posted by brently0725

I stripped the handle on my TM MP5 SD5 and I used a product we sell where I work at Lordco in BC. It's in a tube and it's like a JB weld. You cut a chunk off and mix the two parts together.

[vondnik]

one question.... did you put the motor spacer back in? You know that little silver plate that goes betwin the motor and the motor plate?

And it's rather useless to "upgrade" a TM motor. I have yet to find a aftermarket motor that is worth the price. My TM's have been performing anywhere from 280 fps to 500 fps

[brently0725]

Originally Posted by HellRanger

And those this have to do with the problem described in the first post?

What were you trying to do here. Is this an atempt to try and make fun of me? LOL

[Omi-san]

Originally Posted by vondnik

one question.... did you put the motor spacer back in? You know that little silver plate that goes betwin the motor and the motor plate?

And it's rather useless to "upgrade" a TM motor. I have yet to find a aftermarket motor that is worth the price. My TM's have been performing anywhere from 280 fps to 500 fps

Yes, that little spacer was in place.

[wKnight]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

That's a rather absurd piece of advice. I've used Marui eg1000 motors in upgrades as high as 450fps without them having to struggle too hard. Yes, ROF gets reduced, and the motor does sound like it struggles a bit harder, but it works fine and it doesn't sound like it's going to die. Such upgrades have lasted for years.
As long as you upgrade the gearset accordingly to provide the appropriate torque, Marui motors will do fine.

i guess i ran into a bad motor then. even with the right upgraded gears i had a motor die in an old M4 that was shooting in the ball park of 400fps. only worked for a game.

[Dirty Deeds]

Re-read what Stalker wrote about the way you drew the wires in your diagram. That could be your alignment problem right there.

Then, go to the OPC game thread, and re-read what Poncho said about 20 gun docs being at this game.

[Spa]

Solution 1: I still think you should take the spring, spring guide and piston out and check if the gears are moving.

If so, then the pinion gear is actually hitting the bevel gear. But, if you hear that buzz, that means the tenstion that the spring is putting against the gears to prevent your bevel gear from moving will mean that motor needs to be adjusted.

The one thing i dont understand is that if you upgraded your spring and bushings, why would the motor placement change....

Solution 2: The shims may actually be to tight and the gears will not move causing the pinion gear to spin not catching the bevel gear...then yet again the motor placement should not have mattered.

Solution 3: Have you gearbox set up as if it was ready to go back into your AEG and bottom out the motor adjustment screw then unscrew the motor and keep trying semi auto till the motor catches the bevel gear and the gun works.

Theory 1: Are they stock gears or upgraded and you dont know:P? Sometimes if you have the "super torque up gears" Which are 2 parts heat pressed to make the bevel gear,the part could be faulty and actually not stick together but the top will move not creating torque and just spin. (had that happen to a set of CA STG's)

Theory 2: You may hear a buzz b ut does it sound like the piston is being pulled back? and then like you said nothing? Does to motor still want to turn but gets locked up? Its quite possible that your PDI spring is the problem. They have a rounded bottom that can slip off the spring guide and actually stop the piston from being fully pulled to the rear of the gearbox causing a lock up. I suggest getting a spring with a flattened bottom so that it wont slide off to test your problem or modify the PDI spring so that its filed to a flat end or get pliers and pull the end of the spring in.

Conclusion: Just try to get it to work with no tension from the spring and move from there to pin point the problem. Theory 2 sounds like your best bet. Good luck.

[Dirty Deeds]

Originally Posted by Spa

[B]Solution 1:
The one thing i dont understand is that if you upgraded your spring and bushings, why would the motor placement change....

If you don't run the wires in the grip properly, this will change the angle of the motor, and will cause jams, or the gears don't line up properly and can cause grinding and premature gear wear.

[Omi-san]

Originally Posted by Dirty Deeds

Re-read what Stalker wrote about the way you drew the wires in your diagram. That could be your alignment problem right there.

Then, go to the OPC game thread, and re-read what Poncho said about 20 gun docs being at this game.

That diagram was just to show how I thought the V2 should have been regarding the pistol grip. I know the wires don't hug both side of the motor. But yeah, my problem is most likely with the motor position inside the grip. I'm pretty confident about the the shimming on my gears and everything inside the mechbox.

Gun doctors or not, with only one screw left to hold the pistol grip to the mechbox, I'm afraid this can't be fixed for now. I'm sure I'll figure it out once I get the new mechbox.