Shooting too high, kickback or inaccuracy?

[Dreossk]

Still, it means that it will never be accurate at close range?

[ILLusion]

No, you'll just need to learn your system and mentally compensate for parallax differences.

[Dreossk]

Originally Posted by Daiviet

if a guy is within 7 meters, how accurate do you need to be to shoot him in the chest? its not like you're going to be aiming for something small on his person.

If your shots are going higher than where you point the laser, then yea, thats normal since the laser is sitting an inch below where the barrel is.

Go do what we told you to, find somewhere where you can sight in your gun that has enough range, at least 25+ meters, then adjust the hop up. AFTER THAT, then tell us how accuracy is.

I don't want to shoot a guy, I want to shoot at objects as small as a can of soda. As I already said at the beginning, the laser AND the sight are aiming at the same place and are shooting too high. And going back further will really change something considering the fact that wherever the hopup wheel is currently set, it shoots at the same place? I don't know, I'm asking.

Originally Posted by ILLusion

No, you'll just need to learn your system and mentally compensate for parallax differences.

Means aiming 2 inch lower than the target :/ Not so cool.

[Dreossk]

Ah, that's an answer I would have liked yesterday. If it's what everyone is doing, then it's the best answer, no? Now what is the best way to do that, stick the gun in an unmovable object and shoot a couple of time and adjust the sight for the average shot?

[Strelok]

... Why not just use the sights on the pistol.

lol.

[Dreossk]

Uh...? That's what I use??? I just repeated it after already having said it yesterday.

[Dreossk]

Still, in means it will never be accurate at medium range? You're saying it's the first priority but I was also told to adjust the sight for normal range, which is the range I will use most of the time.

[coach]

Originally Posted by Dreossk

Means aiming 2 inch lower than the target :/ Not so cool.

How do you think real steel shooters aim at targets of different distances? Real gun don't have hopups.

[Dreossk]

I have no idea but I'm pretty sure that at normal distance they aim directly at the object and at long distance they aim higher, not lower.

[ILLusion]

I think your definition of "accurate" is incorrect, but that's a different discussion altogether.

If you want to achieve Point of Aim - Point of Impact for two sighting devices on the pistol (open iron sights + laser), these are the steps that I use:

1) Insert a laser bore sighter in to the barrel.

2) Adjust the iron sights to match the laser dot at your registered sighting distance.

3) Turn on your laser, and adjust it so that it meets the with your iron sights at your registered sighting distance. You always use the irons as a baseline, because they will ALWAYS be there, whereas your laser won't. Same goes for rifles and optics - always zero the optics to the irons if they are co-witnessed. Not the other way around.

4) Shoot BB's and adjust hop up accordingly to meet your open sights/laser dot. For what it's worth, at 7m, you shouldn't need to have hop up on at all. Hop up is not effective until you start shooting past 10-15 metres. If anything, having hop up on at short ranges will actually be detrimental to shot to shot consistency/accuracy.



Again, you will need to judge for yourself what your zeroing distance is, based on YOUR usage.

Also Note: If you set it to close or long range, you will need to learn to compensate more if you decide to shoot at the opposite extreme. You WILL suffer parallax when setting for extremes. For example: If you set it to zero at 7m, I would consider this to be short range. When you find yourself in a situation where you have to shoot at 30m, you're going to find your shots will shoot extremely high from your point of aim. This is the parallax difference caused by you setting your sight line to meet your shot line at a lower point for a close range zero. You will need to learn to compensate greater, when shooting at longer distances.

Because of this, I still recommend zeroing for a middle range, and then making smaller/incremental compensations as your actual engagement range changes. Only practice will tell you how much you will need to compensate, as you learn to judge distance. This is practice done for both airsoft as well as real steel shooting.

My idea of a "medium" pistol engagement range is 15 metres... whatever YOU think YOUR idea of medium range is, based on your typical engagement distance, set it to that. That's what I recommend.
If you will ALWAYS be shooting at 7m, and you know it, and don't care about other distances, then by all means, zero for 7m. Just keep in mind what I mentioned above about learning to compensate for parallax difference.

[StrikeFreedom]

I would leave hop up off at 7m, if that's your typical engagement distance. Just shoot and see where it's hitting, then simply adjust the iron sight and laser to aim at that spot. This is exactly what I do for mine but with a RDS instead. From then on you'll hit whatever you aim, at 7m. Just like in RS, you'll have to adjust your aim depending on your engagement distance. For example you would aim higher when you are closer, due to the height over bore.

[Crunchmeister]

Originally Posted by Dreossk

I don't want to shoot a guy, I want to shoot at objects as small as a can of soda.

You have the wrong gun for the job. What you need is a pellet gun, not an airsoft gun. Those are intended for target practice and they tend to be very accurate. Airsoft guns are not very accurate by their nature. The ballistic properties of spheres are not that great. Although with a finely tuned airsoft gun you can expect reasonable accuracy, it won't be anywhere near what you can get with a pellet gun.

Basically, you just have to learn to use your gun and compensate for it rather than relying on sights and other aiming devices. Although at your range, you should just set your laser to the point of impact instead of aligning it with your iron sights, since you already know those don't accurately reflect the point of impact at the range you're dealing with.

[Dreossk]

Thanks guys, I'll work with that!

[grantmac]

Originally Posted by Dreossk

I have no idea but I'm pretty sure that at normal distance they aim directly at the object and at long distance they aim higher, not lower.

Here is a little pistol engagement 101, this applies to everything of a combat pistol variety from airsoft to RS. I don't do bullseye, silhouette or Olympic. Is those are your focus then an airsoft gun will not help you in any way.

The normal distance for engaging with pistols is within the point-blank range of the cartridge being used. I use the term point-blank in the ballistic and not journalistic sense.
Generally at close range a pistol will appear to fire lower than at its zero'd range. This is due to the height over bore of the sights and the zero usually being 25m.
Past 25m to about 50m the sights remain pretty much on, 50m is the accepted maximum engagement range trained shooters will be able to successfully hit center of mass with any regularity or speed. Going to throw out exceptional shots like Todd Jarret and non-stress situations for this example.

Personal Example:
I do a 3m dot drill with my G17 (RS and completely stock). For this drill shots are fired at a sheet printed with 2" dots.
http://pistol-training.com/drills/dot-torture
For that drill the point of impact (POI) is just below the center of the front post, right under the white dot.
When I move back to 25m the POI shifts to the top of the front post.
In the real world 6" is a very acceptable figure for accuracy out to 15-20m, hitting 1" low at close range is nothing, so all aiming is done with the top of the post.

So how does this all apply to you:
You are shooting at the near side of pistol engagement range. Your sights are higher than the axis of your bore by about .75" so your shots will most likely hit .5-.75" below your point of aim. If you are hitting any lower than this it is most likely something you are doing.

Pistols in airsoft more closely mimic their real life counterparts in terms of accuracy and realism then any other firearm. This is largely because 99% of all shooters are the weak link in the accuracy chain, not the pistol they are using.
Here is a good example of that:
YouTube - Glock 23 At 230 Yards
And everyone says Glocks aren't terribly accurate.

So how do you get accurate with a pistol:
1) Front sight!
Nothing else in your entire world matters when you are shooting a pistol. If you are not focusing completely on your front sight then you will never achieve good accuracy. With your front sight completely in focus any small movement which you would be unable to detect while focusing on your target becomes immediately obvious. Suddenly that perfect stable hold you thought you had becomes a lie as your sight bounces around with every movement.

2) Trigger control.
This comes second for a reason. You cannot tell if your trigger control is good unless you are focusing on your front sight.
A smooth steady PRESS to the rear. Not a pull, not a jerk, a steady press. It should take you several seconds to perform when you first start.
You are using a single-action pistol which is by far the easiest to use in terms of trigger control.

Work on those two items, they are 90% of your accuracy. The good news is your can work on both of them without any BBs or gas. Just picking a spot on the wall and dry firing.

This post should have been a pretty decent primer on pistol shooting. I don't write or shoot for a living, but I do both well on a recreational level.

Watch this:
YouTube - Todd Jarrett on pistol shooting.
Then watch it again with your pistol in your hand unloaded.

-Grant

[juicy]

Well said, Grant.

I'm just wanting to confirm that you know how to aim with pistol sights?



Note that you aren't putting the dot over your target, you put the target just above your front sight post. However, considering how you're shooting at 7m, you will have to compensate for height-over-bore (see previous posts).

found here: http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f...mistakes-4871/