GBB M4 Rifle / which one

[sewktbk]

im in Montreal so yeesshhhh. But i'll get around finding one. thanks again wildcard.

Gato, thanks a bunch for the double tap.

[teriases]

Originally Posted by KGBB

Go for the KJW M4 GBB-R. This rifle work fine ootb and you only have to install few parts to make it perfect.

+ it's also compatible with a lot of AEG parts. A stanag mag should be release soon

Saw review video on 007airsoft, good gun has kick

[ILLusion]

Or you could wait till the VFC M4 GBB-R's hit the market (which should be any day now.) In country, they'd cost about $750-$850, is partially WA compatible (mags are proprietary), and if the construction is ANYTHING like VFC's past offerings, it may be the best production M4 GBBR on the market.

Of course, it is still too early to say, but I'd definitely wait on that.

YouTube- RA-TECH VFC M4 GBB review

[Affliction]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

Or you could wait till the VFC M4 GBB-R's hit the market (which should be any day now.) In country, they'd cost about $750-$850, is partially WA compatible (mags are proprietary), and if the construction is ANYTHING like VFC's past offerings, it may be the best production M4 GBBR on the market.

Of course, it is still too early to say, but I'd definitely wait on that.

YouTube- RA-TECH VFC M4 GBB review

I'd personally still stick with the WE GBBR. My WE M16a3 GBBR cost me $450 (Tax incl) and hasn't failed me yet (did have to file my hop-up rubber after purchase).

I doubt that paying twice the sum is good for anything -- except lining retailers' pockets with gold.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Affliction

I'd personally still stick with the WE GBBR. My WE M16a3 GBBR cost me $450 (Tax incl) and hasn't failed me yet (did have to file my hop-up rubber after purchase).

I doubt that paying twice the sum is good for anything -- except lining retailers' pockets with gold.

To me, the added realism of the VFC's bolt carrier group, a full metal upper and lower receiver, VFC's impeccable manufacturing quality/finish, the added accuracy of the split hop up design, the roller hammer and the aftermarket support of Magna type systems would yield a superior product over the WE system.

The international pricing of the VFC magazines is also cheaper than the WE magazines.

But, that comes down to what you find important. If you want something that just shoots a BB out with a bit of kick, then the lower price of a WE would get you what you need. But, if you want that little bit extra, you gotta pay that extra. You get what you pay for.

[pancakedestroyer]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

Wow, you got that WE for a steal. Care to share your source? That's pretty much international pricing ($360USD + shipping.)

If you're going to consider it that way, if you're using the same channels to procure the guns, the VFC would be even cheaper ($320USD + shipping.)

On top of that, the added realism of the VFC's bolt carrier group, VFC's impeccable manufacturing quality/finish, the added accuracy of the split hop up design, the roller hammer and the aftermarket support of Magna type systems, would yield a superior product over the WE system.

WE's saving grace would be lower priced magazines.

We have retailers here in Canada that carry the WE M4/16 series.
As for the quality of the WE m4/16. Its solid. Finish on them is fantastic, the internals are solid. Mags are affordable for a gas platform. They really preform amazing for the price point and are arguably just dependable as any other gas brand you want to compare them to.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by pancakedestroyer

We have retailers here in Canada that carry the WE M4/16 series.
As for the quality of the WE m4/16. Its solid. Finish on them is fantastic, the internals are solid. Mags are affordable for a gas platform. They really preform amazing for the price point and are arguably just dependable as any other gas brand you want to compare them to.

I wasn't aware he was referring to the clear receiver WE's. I've been corrected. I've also corrected my previous post.

I fully agree that if you want something that just works out of the box, the WE system is definitely the way to go. Plus the new open bolt designs coming out for added realism should definitely close the gaps on the Magna system as far as realism is concerned.

[Shooting Addict]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

Or you could wait till the VFC M4 GBB-R's hit the market (which should be any day now.) In country, they'd cost about $750-$850, is partially WA compatible (mags are proprietary), and if the construction is ANYTHING like VFC's past offerings, it may be the best production M4 GBBR on the market.

Of course, it is still too early to say, but I'd definitely wait on that.

YouTube- RA-TECH VFC M4 GBB review

Sure the VFC will probably be the best, that is until Real Sword releases their GBBRs

[ILLusion]

Real Sword GBBRs are definitely worth looking forward to

[kullwarrior]

AGM/KS/JG Other ACM brand = Absolute crap avoid it
G&P =Good starter, fps is within gaming (380fps) at the cost of 210mm innerbarrel and the bolt carrier+ nozzle will eventually give up (you cant lock bolt back etc)
Inokatsu = Expensive as hell, works pretty awesome (you need to strip the gun to its parts to adjust hopup)
VFC = So far looks better than G&P yet cheaper (bout $100 cheaper than G&P advertised in Hong Kong)

Daytonagun = Uses AEG mags, no cool down effect, doesnt lock on empty and requires an external tank. (IMHO the best and most reliable)

[Shooting Addict]

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

Daytonagun = Uses AEG mags, no cool down effect, doesnt lock on empty and requires an external tank. (IMHO the best and most reliable)

Also the most expensive and theirs is AFAIK only AK's(which sucks since i don't like AK's that much...)

[sewktbk]

Originally Posted by Affliction

I'd personally still stick with the WE GBBR. My WE M16a3 GBBR cost me $450 (Tax incl) and hasn't failed me yet (did have to file my hop-up rubber after purchase).

I doubt that paying twice the sum is good for anything -- except lining retailers' pockets with gold.

is that a price for a full metal one? i've been looking into the WE's full metal in country, and they go for around twice that price, so i'm wondering....

[Shooting Addict]

Originally Posted by sewktbk

is that a price for a full metal one? i've been looking into the WE's full metal in country, and they go for around twice that price, so i'm wondering....

Thats for the one from velocity arms with the clear lower receiver.

[pancakedestroyer]

I'm finding full metal to be over rated when it comes to long arms. Paint is a great equalizer when it comes to making something that was transparent, not.
You can always go on a trek for a metal lower later on if you feel that you need one but people are starting to realize that not having a metal lower isn't the end of the world.
You'd also be surprised at how durable some of the semi and semi-clear lower receivers are.

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by Shooting Addict

AFAIK only AK's

WRONG, you can get it for SR-25, M110, M16, M773, M4 ask Justin dont ask opforce the dude needs works on comms.

Originally Posted by Shooting Addict

Also the most expensive

O RLY?
Did you actually get one? I can tell you Its not.
Gun itself ~$950 (shipped) for those who know how to import
Tank ~$50
Regulator $50-$200 depending on quality, assuming you went with the best, Palmer Pursuit
So when it stack up you're looking at $1300 approx the same as G&P WOC.
Lets add more mags, 7 mags for a set up. $1400
WOC? (G&P mags) $1660
Inokatsu? (Using Prowin) $1955
KJ Cansoft? $750
KJ Regular? $1k
WE M4? $1600