CSOR

ericwilliam · May 6th, 2014, 20:26

Jbone 11 11 · July 10th, 2014, 16:49

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Originally Posted by rc_p120

So.... The generally accepted idea is that CSOR is like the Army Rangers to the JTF-2's Delta Force, so to speak, in terms of comparing them to what we know about the Americans. Is this in any way true or accurate, or just pure speculation? How would any of us know which one is 'higher level' than the other or which one does which jobs, etc etc??

More or less. CSOR is kind of Spec ops in force to JTF's small unit tactics. They commonly act as back up for JTF missions....but don't say that around any CSOR types....there is very much a big brother -little brother thing between the two units.

Ricochet · July 11th, 2014, 11:24

Derp!

scottyfox · July 11th, 2014, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Ricochet

I have a few friends who were CSOR and have met a couple JTF2 members. It would appear that they serve different-ish purposes as far as operations goes. From what I have seen, and this is just my personal opinion, the CSOR commandos seem to be more "hard-ass", and are generally regarded as being the tip of the spear. Each regiment within a group like CSOR may differ as well, airborne, PPCLI, etc.

Just... no.
If you read that post to *anyone* at CANSOFCOM, including your buddies, they would shake their head as I am now.
If you want me to expand and point out each bit of wrongness let me know, but I'm sure someone else will chime in.

scottyfox · July 11th, 2014, 12:44

Okay because I'm bored at work I will.
Disclaimer, what I'm about to say is publically available, can be found out by meeting a CANSOF person at a thing, blah blah blah.

Differentish purposes? Absolutely. Roles can easily be determined by seeing what they've publicly been doing.
CSOR "commandos" being more hard ass? Just, no. I don't really know what to say to that. Generally regarded as the tip of the spear? Ditto. How is JTF-2 any less than the tip of the spear? You mean DA? Does foreign military assistance make CSOR less tip-y spear-y? CANSOF guys and gals get to wear their PPCLI, RCR whatever cap badge and tab, and could stand up for their regiment's song at a mess dinner but I don't know what you're getting at, tan beret, CANSOFCOM. Takes all kinds, trades and environmental commands. Airborne Regiment? Again, what the hell?
One thing that pisses people (and me) off is saying JTF-2 deployed somewhere, or CSOR deploed somewhere. They don't. They don't deploy alone. They are deployed in SOTFs with all manners of CANSOF folks, tailored and scaled to the mission. IRTFs, CBRNTFs, or TF Arrowheads, acting as a strategic effect, at home and abroad.

/rant

Danke · July 11th, 2014, 14:22

Jesus; it's like his keyboard ran out of vowels.

Tip of the spear; sure just don't forget that just the tip doesn't do much good without the rest of the head and the shaft supporting it.

Conker · July 11th, 2014, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Danke

without the rest of the head and the shaft supporting it.

You sure you're talking about the same "spear"?

Danke · July 11th, 2014, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Conker

You sure you're talking about the same "spear"?

If you're at the wrong end of it the results will be pretty much the same.

Ricochet · July 11th, 2014, 17:12

My buddies were all maroon berets I believe, and did a few things in the SSF over many years. From their stories I get basically what I have said, which wasn't much". The few JTF-2 members I have met, all two of them, their descriptions of where and what they have done seemed to differ. Their physique, posture and attitudes seemed to differ as well. Their tattoos (style not military necessarily) differed. The way the talked, etc. This is just, as I said, personal opinion based on my observations and what I have been told by long serving members. I didn't mean any disrespect towards the JTF-2 members, but as I have said, my friends seem.....different.

pugs144 · July 11th, 2014, 23:10

Well that escalated pretty quickly. Anybody else want to play "Let's Compare Mission Sets Based On Hearsay and Half-Truths"?

Jbone 11 11 · July 25th, 2014, 12:07

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Originally Posted by pugs144

Well that escalated pretty quickly. Anybody else want to play "Let's Compare Mission Sets Based On Hearsay and Half-Truths"?

First: ^^ LOL! Indeed.....

Jbone 11 11 · July 25th, 2014, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danke

Tip of the spear; sure just don't forget that just the tip doesn't do much good without the rest of the head and the shaft supporting it.

Second: ^^ Classic!

-=ArchAngel=- · September 27th, 2014, 19:42

Surprised no one posted these yet. They're from a while back when they were at KASOTC

Interesting rail. Kinda reminds me of the Remington RAHG

nstahl.19 · September 27th, 2014, 23:08

Ive definitely seen the guy in the beard in some other CSOR photos. Or maybe im just thinking of jose bautista 2013 lmao.

Short Round · September 28th, 2014, 01:45

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Originally Posted by nstahl.19

Ive definitely seen the guy in the beard in some other CSOR photos. Or maybe im just thinking of jose bautista 2013 lmao.

Definitely Jose Bautista

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May 6th, 2014, 20:26	#241
ericwilliam Trader rating Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario	__________________

July 11th, 2014, 11:24	#243
Ricochet How much sand CAN you fit in your vagina!? Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Delta, BC (Greater Vancouver)	Derp! __________________ I have developed a new sport called Airhard. Pretty much the same as Airsoft, except you have to maintain an erection... Last edited by Ricochet; October 8th, 2014 at 17:42..

July 11th, 2014, 12:44	#245
scottyfox Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ottawa	Okay because I'm bored at work I will. Disclaimer, what I'm about to say is publically available, can be found out by meeting a CANSOF person at a thing, blah blah blah. Differentish purposes? Absolutely. Roles can easily be determined by seeing what they've publicly been doing. CSOR "commandos" being more hard ass? Just, no. I don't really know what to say to that. Generally regarded as the tip of the spear? Ditto. How is JTF-2 any less than the tip of the spear? You mean DA? Does foreign military assistance make CSOR less tip-y spear-y? CANSOF guys and gals get to wear their PPCLI, RCR whatever cap badge and tab, and could stand up for their regiment's song at a mess dinner but I don't know what you're getting at, tan beret, CANSOFCOM. Takes all kinds, trades and environmental commands. Airborne Regiment? Again, what the hell? One thing that pisses people (and me) off is saying JTF-2 deployed somewhere, or CSOR deploed somewhere. They don't. They don't deploy alone. They are deployed in SOTFs with all manners of CANSOF folks, tailored and scaled to the mission. IRTFs, CBRNTFs, or TF Arrowheads, acting as a strategic effect, at home and abroad. /rant __________________ Views are my own.

July 11th, 2014, 14:22	#246
Danke Prancercise Guru Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Danger Zone	Jesus; it's like his keyboard ran out of vowels. Tip of the spear; sure just don't forget that just the tip doesn't do much good without the rest of the head and the shaft supporting it. __________________ Airsoft, where nothing is hurt but feelings.

July 11th, 2014, 17:12	#249
Ricochet How much sand CAN you fit in your vagina!? Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Delta, BC (Greater Vancouver)	My buddies were all maroon berets I believe, and did a few things in the SSF over many years. From their stories I get basically what I have said, which wasn't much". The few JTF-2 members I have met, all two of them, their descriptions of where and what they have done seemed to differ. Their physique, posture and attitudes seemed to differ as well. Their tattoos (style not military necessarily) differed. The way the talked, etc. This is just, as I said, personal opinion based on my observations and what I have been told by long serving members. I didn't mean any disrespect towards the JTF-2 members, but as I have said, my friends seem.....different. __________________ I have developed a new sport called Airhard. Pretty much the same as Airsoft, except you have to maintain an erection...

July 11th, 2014, 23:10	#250
pugs144 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: At the entrance to the Big Top	Well that escalated pretty quickly. Anybody else want to play "Let's Compare Mission Sets Based On Hearsay and Half-Truths"?

September 27th, 2014, 19:42	#253
-=ArchAngel=- Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver, BC	Surprised no one posted these yet. They're from a while back when they were at KASOTC Interesting rail. Kinda reminds me of the Remington RAHG Last edited by -=ArchAngel=-; September 27th, 2014 at 19:46..

September 27th, 2014, 23:08	#254
nstahl.19 Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Kitchener, ON	Ive definitely seen the guy in the beard in some other CSOR photos. Or maybe im just thinking of jose bautista 2013 lmao.

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