new RAP4 Product

[Mysteryfish]

It's hard to understand why gas/pneumatic toys are so much fun if you have no experience with them.

Not so hard to understand that using pneumatics, (as far as I can tell) usually requires a whole lot fewer moving parts than what would go into say, an AEG. Fewer parts usually = Higher reliability and lower repair costs.

Kinda the same reason that electronic paintball guns need constant attention, and some mechanical ones have been kicking around for decades. All you have to do is replace something here and there, and change o-rings now and then.

I'd take a reliable gas gun over an AEG in the blink of an eye, if they were available.

I'd be tempted to buy one of the RAP4 markers with a stockpile of the rubber shot & casings to just shoot indoors, and for the joy of owning/using. Specially since the local range just got shut down :banghead:

The airsoft conversion, dialed down and tuned would make for a fun, battery free party for me too.

But whatever, if you can't find a reason to buy one... Don't.

Apparently they're built tough, relatively aesthetically pleasing, they're pneumatic... If they weren't so expensive, that'd be the perfect list of reasons I personally would want one.

Only thing is, I don't hear much about long term reliability...

[The Lettonian]

Ok, I know this is a necropost, but I decided to use the search option before starting a new thread, and this is the only relevant one to come up.

Anyway, I was reading through THIS thread and I decided to check out the link in post 98. The idea of a RAP4 airsoft gun sounds really cool to me, and I'm left with these questions:

Why hasn't there been more discussion about this/why is there a lack of interest (other than cost which, let's face it, isn't THAT huge a factor in airsoft.)?
How hard is it to get one of these in Canada? I know there are RAP4 paintball markers available and the conversions kit should get across the border OK
Does anyone on the boards have one? How does it perform?

Anyay, it would seem that RAP4 also hasDedicated Airsoft Products, and I can only think that this sounds really, really cool.

I understand that some concerns may be cost and low mag capacity...but wouldn't something that ejects casings be that much cooler in a milsim? And people usually aim for low/midcaps in milsims anyway, so the 20 round mag would actually be beneficial to their use in that environment.

I will now go don my nomex coveralls and betacloth gear


....in the meantime, your thoughts, opinions, and insights, please

[The Saint]

Ejecting fake looking shells present little appeal to me, personally. I'd think blowback would mean more to us than shell ejection.

[pusangani]

shell ejection is only appealing to chairsofters and basement plinkers, in milsim it is absolutely pointless

[The Lettonian]

still doesn't answer why chairsofters and basement plinkers haven't showed a bigger interest But I definitely see how blowback is more appealing.

*edit* checked ASC Glossary....how the hell does one define "chairsofter," anyway? I mean, I get the general concept of one who sits about ASC posting meaninglessly more than they concern themselves with getting out to the next game.....but have we set any guidelines for what encompasses that term?

[Donster]

Originally Posted by FNG_13

still doesn't answer why chairsofters and basement plinkers haven't showed a bigger interest But I definitely see how blowback is more appealing.

*edit* checked ASC Glossary....how the hell does one define "chairsofter," anyway? I mean, I get the general concept of one who sits about ASC posting meaninglessly more than they concern themselves with getting out to the next game.....but have we set any guidelines for what encompasses that term?

i wont name any names, but i know some people who own 4-5 pistols and 2 AEGs, one of which is a PTW. have a 3000+ post count over like 2-3 years and have yet to play an actual game of airsoft. THAT is a chairsofter in the purest sense of the word.

(and dude, if you read this, sorry )

as for the actual concept, yes it is very cool. a blowback, shell ejecting airsoft gun. i personally dont like the idea of a gas powered primary. i mean, i plan on using a tanaka mauser Kar98k, but that will only be for summer, fall and spring. late fall and early spring is too cold. furthermore, the whole concept of shells and stuff, while cool, is also a pain in the ass. plus i just dont think it would perform as well as dedicated airsoft companies like TM or CA (with some upgrades)

[FOX_111]

I think it would be a viable last resort gun. But everything gas powered make me feel unconfortable. Too much incontistence and temperament.

If I was to use this, i'd fire rubber bullets, not the airsoft conversion.

[Jimski]

if it makes your feet uncomfortable then you should try changing boots
lol sorry had to

[FOX_111]

Originally Posted by Jimski

if it makes your feet uncomfortable then you should try changing boots
lol sorry had to

ass

Typo edited.

[Hectic]

I think it weould be fun it would have a bit of report to it and as for the shells you dont have to use them however the mags are real cap and I am sure that there must be a chance of a jam and that will just add to realism.

Im not saying this is a good replacement for an AEG and definately not for something with actuall blow back but just a new avenue to travell down some stuff iI have read says all in all these are decent as for the no hop version that is why they made those light ass finned umm... bullets for them
would have been nice if they wer like .22-.28 or so then they could remain more stable flight potentially increseing the effective range I mean ya a .19g projectile going five or six hundred FPS will get out to 150ft but come on what will it hit a school bus or car almost definately not a man sized target (and how often can you see the whol man or woman you are shooting at) not to mention retaining enough energy to actually make the target fell the lucky hit.

Ya ya i know cant spell no grammer,..... sue me ;P

[Harbinger of Darkness]

Originally Posted by FOX_111

If I was to use this, i'd fire rubber bullets, not the airsoft conversion.

I agree with Fox on this one. I've given some thought to picking one up before but the only way I could see myself using it is with the rubber balls. The only trouble is getting a few people with RAP4s together to shoot rubber balls at one another.

[Hectic]

Originally Posted by Harbinger of Darkness

I agree with Fox on this one. I've given some thought to picking one up before but the only way I could see myself using it is with the rubber balls. The only trouble is getting a few people with RAP4s together to shoot rubber balls at one another.

ouch! .68 rubber balls thats 17mm thats gotta be hefty and i bet they wont sell that version of the gun or the ammo to civies if so i think it would be awesome with the right kit.
nice call didnt really look at that section of the site before

EDIt I am thinking that you just need any .68 pb gun to shoot those rubber balls

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Hectic

ouch! .68 rubber balls thats 17mm thats gotta be hefty and i bet they wont sell that version of the gun or the ammo to civies

It's called reball. Look it up.

[Hectic]

Originally Posted by Styrak

It's called reball. Look it up.

ya but they or RAP4 for that matter dont say the weight of the projectile I am sure the REballs are light near the same as a PB but I would think that something desined for training would have a little more weight to it so it would have a better range and accuracy as well as enough imact for an armoured target to feel

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Hectic

ya but they or RAP4 for that matter dont say the weight of the projectile I am sure the REballs are light near the same as a PB but I would think that something desined for training would have a little more weight to it so it would have a better range and accuracy as well as enough imact for an armoured target to feel

It's not "restricted to civies" as you say. It's for normal people with normal paintball guns. We have a facility here in Saskatchewan where a guy runs a reball business because it's indoors, and also allows airsofters to play there. No mess! The guns with reballs are limited to about the same 300 fps.