PTW vs GBBR vs Classic, What to choose?

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by Rugger_can

I had a motorcycle. It was a Honda. I found that the front breaks often needed replacing.

Should I infer from this experience that all Honda's have inferior breaks?
Or Should I infer from this experience that all Motorcycle breaks will often need replacing?

You probably see where Im going with this.


Your opinions are your own and sharing them is great, but your conclusions are far too "concrete" sounding to be taken seriously, allow yourself some interpretation and recognize that all platforms are merely tools that will perform only as well as the operator using and maintaining them.

True to certain extent, a system design will certainly limit the operator's ability.
Allow me to give you the example of
Ross Rifle as most firearm or WWI history will know. The gun needs to be extremely clean, ammo must be clean, and that it must be maintained regularily, While it has higher cyclic rate the Enfield and a lil better accuracy ultimately the British sniper didn't want it simply because it's too unreliable. I personally have three magna rifles, did you? Every single one of them gave me headache, the longer I have it the more there is.
Magazine valve stay open even the lock disengage, I almost faint every single time (GHK magazines)
Magazine leakage, I fix it, in a few day it leak (GHK, WA, G&P, AGM, Pro-WIn)
Double feeding happens like crazy, I use aluminium nozzle, but the bb will simply get crushed, its a PITA to remove crush bb, you gotta remove it in the nozzle part and the barrel extension.
NPAS, the design and the recoil will self adjust, in a certain positon where the gas flow is limited by the flute valve's leg gun wont cycle. On top of that NPAS key operating on Flute valve is straining the adjuster and often breaks.
If I dont use NPAS the FPS goes from 450 to 300 from shot to shot.
Then after 5k mark (mostly dry firing) the trigger starts to show it wore out and it fails to allow dis connector to engage causing full auto or burst on semi.


In your Honda case, the brake part will naturally wear out as you use, that's expected.

Nozzle shouldnt need to be replace everytime it double feed, that's a design failure on the way the bb is loaded

NPAS shouldn't needed to be loctite and replaced every week because it adjust by it self and the material is weak.

A Trigger is expected to wear out overtime, but not at 5k mark. The quality of material used simply isn't there, If you have a trigger failure on an AR-15 within 10k round people will say something is definately wrong. If you have a failure in trigger before 5k round on Norinco CQ-556 (China AR Clone) people will be surprised.


Did you have these problems?

Just the magazine leakage is a huge headache already, cool down effect also kills me. In short my time with GBBR is just full of frustrations.

I learn that PTW is, when nothing is wrong, DON'T MESS WITH IT. I personally didn't do that and end up pay money to fix it. and by the way the bill wasn't cheap.

My Classic Gun also had problems, it was simply source to being a used gun and the typical fate of set screws. They strip, I wanted to upgrade it to a longer innerbarrel which the previous owner had to use superglue the whole thing because the grub screw was holding the gun by static friction. (Today, I drill a bit into the barrel extension so that the set screw is partially embedded into the extension not just holding the barrel in place by static friction. The Classic Gun's problem was source to my eagerness to upgrade and the fact that screws strips overtime.

Did I fire an AEG? Yes, was I impress by it? No in fact I feel that's more like paintball than having a gun using paintball tank.

I hope you see how why I hate GBBR, I was a fanatical fan...until I got an Classic and look back on how much I spent on GBBR. Like I'll say this now, With the amount I've spent in airsoft (75% is link to GBBR) I could've gotten a firearm H&K G36P which is extremely rare, civilian version only found in Canada (none in the States) one of those is probably more expensive than an <20 year old guy's car if he/she were to only use the money he/she earned.

[grantmac]

The problem is that most people have experience with only a narrow portion of the airsoft gun market. Those same people have an even smaller understanding of how the guns themselves really work (especially gas).

Kullwarrior is a strong advocate of the Classic system because it has worked well for him and he was disappointed with the WA system.
Within his experience it is the best system.
However he has no experience with the other 2 GBBR gas in mag systems, which means his experience is limited. That doesn't make his opinion less valid, but it makes it an opinion and NOT a comprehensive comparison.

Those who have used all of the systems are most likely in the supply chain and tend to think of their profit-margin when making a recommendation. Those outside the airsoft business world generally have not used all the systems, especially in Canada where the expense is so high.

I know of one person on this site who has used every system with the exception of the Classic. That will be changing shortly when he gets a Daytonagun M249 drop-in kit sometime in the next year.
His opinion has already been posted but I'll give you a quick summary:
-AEGs are for lending out.
-sold both the WA and WE.
-still owns the PTW.
-uses the KJW the most, it was the cheapest of the lot. With the Cradle parts it runs very consistently.