Wich spring I can put in this clearsoft

[hugoqc321]

Hi I have a S&W clearsoft M3000 shotgun that shoots around 250 fps with .20
(poor man's chrono) and I want to upgrade its velocity cause in this case it really affects its range (as it does for most of the cheap guns). If some of you have ideas of wich spring I can use it would be very cool to answer.

I also have problems with my hop-up that makes bb's curve to the right. In fact its a BAXS system but its kinda the same thing. I doubt that remplacement parts exists for these but still, if you know something that could work, tell me.

Im also aware of any upgrades that could improve the performance of that cheap rifle. Durability is not a problem I will use it this summer and after that:GARBAGE or backup for my new AEG.

[CDN_Stalker]

Try 0.25g, effective range increases with heavier ammo (to a point) even if the velocity decreases. Hey, if I can get kills past 100ft using my Glock 19 (around 300fps) shooting 0.36g BBs.............

[hugoqc321]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Try 0.25g, effective range increases with heavier ammo (to a point) even if the velocity decreases. Hey, if I can get kills past 100ft using my Glock 19 (around 300fps) shooting 0.36g BBs.............

yeah but I dont think your glock costed you only 50 bucks.

and i use .25 for shooting, the .20 were just for the velocity test.

in a noobish gun like that, the weight of the bb's, as I noticed, decrease the velocity ALOT and the range also.

[kalnaren]

Probably nothing. The gun isn't designed to take any upgrades, and any you put into it will probably break it.

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Try 0.25g, effective range increases with heavier ammo (to a point) even if the velocity decreases. Hey, if I can get kills past 100ft using my Glock 19 (around 300fps) shooting 0.36g BBs.............

I find in guns shooting below ~300 fps, upgrading to .25's is more detrimental than it is benificial. Yes, the accuracy is increase, but the range is reduced so much the advantage isn't really worth it unless you're only engaging in close ranges.

This is based on my MP5, which is stock TM with a tightbore.

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by kalnaren

Probably nothing. The gun isn't designed to take any upgrades, and any you put into it will probably break it.



I find in guns shooting below ~300 fps, upgrading to .25's is more detrimental than it is benificial. Yes, the accuracy is increase, but the range is reduced so much the advantage isn't really worth it unless you're only engaging in close ranges.

This is based on my MP5, which is stock TM with a tightbore.

You make it sound like I use the Force to will my BBs to my targets. I wish!!!! I only use the Force to not be seen in the brush. Lol

My Glock in hot weather nets me around 341fps, but most times I've chronied it it's sub 300fps, and have had great success using 0.36g and 0.43g BBs past 100ft, just a matter of aiming for the head and hitting the body, same as real steel at long ranges. And I always set my hop up a bit less than best on all my guns, increases consistancy at longer ranges and prevents the occasional overhop from the BBs hitting denser air pockets. You being a pilot should appreciate that tid bit of info.

And, my MP5A5 is shooting around 300fps the past while, I still use 0.28g BBs outdoors and 0.25g indoors.

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

You make it sound like I use the Force to will my BBs to my targets.

You don't!?!?!?!?

My Glock in hot weather nets me around 341fps, but most times I've chronied it it's sub 300fps, and have had great success using 0.36g and 0.43g BBs past 100ft, just a matter of aiming for the head and hitting the body, same as real steel at long ranges. And I always set my hop up a bit less than best on all my guns, increases consistancy at longer ranges and prevents the occasional overhop from the BBs hitting denser air pockets. You being a pilot should appreciate that tid bit of info.

And, my MP5A5 is shooting around 300fps the past while, I still use 0.28g BBs outdoors and 0.25g indoors.

Makes perfect sense, and in my stock CA36 the performance increase of heavier BB's is well worth it. The MP5 has ok range, but I find more often than not the shots either take so long to get to the target it's either moved, or the range is cut down to the point where shots past 100' are simply impractical. Of course, I still use .25's in it anyway because I don't want to buy 2 types of ammo . Also most of the games where I've used the MP5 are outdoor where the average engagement ranges are 100'+, against people who are all running upgraded guns. So I suppose I could simply be outmatched. For games that are 50-100' I don't think there's an issue.

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by kalnaren

You don't!?!?!?!?


Makes perfect sense, and in my stock CA36 the performance increase of heavier BB's is well worth it. The MP5 has ok range, but I find more often than not the shots either take so long to get to the target it's either moved, or the range is cut down to the point where shots past 100' are simply impractical. Of course, I still use .25's in it anyway because I don't want to buy 2 types of ammo . Also most of the games where I've used the MP5 are outdoor where the average engagement ranges are 100'+, against people who are all running upgraded guns. So I suppose I could simply be outmatched. For games that are 50-100' I don't think there's an issue.

Ok, maybe I do will the BBs to the target, dunno. Lol

There is a benefit to upgrading an AEG, but I've been seeing that there are drawbacks to having too high of a velocity that makes the BB too unstable and sensitive to the various air densities it's being forced to travel through. Check out my airsoft ballistics thread I started last night. I put it up for people to discuss, learn from, etc. Since I quit being a full time gun tech last fall, I'm focusing this year on studying the ballistics (and hey, I get free BB Bastards for test purposes and to use as "Stored Kills" on game day........... yes, I still buy most of my Bastards, but free ammo to test is always a great thing, especially when I get to post up the results and info for others to look at.)

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Ok, maybe I do will the BBs to the target, dunno. Lol

There is a benefit to upgrading an AEG, but I've been seeing that there are drawbacks to having too high of a velocity that makes the BB too unstable and sensitive to the various air densities it's being forced to travel through. Check out my airsoft ballistics thread I started last night. I put it up for people to discuss, learn from, etc. Since I quit being a full time gun tech last fall, I'm focusing this year on studying the ballistics (and hey, I get free BB Bastards for test purposes and to use as "Stored Kills" on game day........... yes, I still buy most of my Bastards, but free ammo to test is always a great thing, especially when I get to post up the results and info for others to look at.)

I fully agree there too, and I'm looking forward to seeing the results of your research. Still, there is going to be quite a performance gap between a gun shooting 360 on .2s and one shooting 270 on .2s, especially if they both shoot .25's or .28's.

Maybe a little OT, but are you planning on doing tests in your study of low velocity guns (stock TM) shooting heavier rounds as well to see what kind of performance/degridation you get? That would be quite interesting.

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by kalnaren

I fully agree there too, and I'm looking forward to seeing the results of your research. Still, there is going to be quite a performance gap between a gun shooting 360 on .2s and one shooting 270 on .2s, especially if they both shoot .25's or .28's.

Maybe a little OT, but are you planning on doing tests in your study of low velocity guns (stock TM) shooting heavier rounds as well to see what kind of performance/degridation you get? That would be quite interesting.

True enough. I keep forgetting I have a Crosman 'Stinger' shot gun, I should include that in my testing for shits and giggles................... oh, for the record, I've always seen a 100fps drop between 0.20g and 0.36g BBs, in case anyone is wondering. Still, for the thread's sake, I mentioned 0.25g just because of the benefits but didn't bring up heavier due to the nature of the gun being discussed.

So, later today I'll fuck around with the Stinger and see how consistant it is, and run all my little Bastards through it (can't do 0.28g though, have to get my two bags from Testicle next time I see him).

[theshaneler]

that shotgun is in all reality, crap! i had 2 and broke 2, dont try taking it appart to get to the spring as i pretty much guarantee some small plastic part will break, the hop dosnt have replacement parts so you cant fix that. my suggestion, buy a good shotgun!

[hugoqc321]

Originally Posted by theshaneler

that shotgun is in all reality, crap! i had 2 and broke 2, dont try taking it appart to get to the spring as i pretty much guarantee some small plastic part will break, the hop dosnt have replacement parts so you cant fix that. my suggestion, buy a good shotgun!

yeah if I had money thats what I would do for sure...

[CDN_Stalker]

If you were able to access the piston and get some silicon oil onto the piston head, you could increase your velocity by a bit due to a better seal.

[hugoqc321]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

If you were able to access the piston and get some silicon oil onto the piston head, you could increase your velocity by a bit due to a better seal.

thanks thats a good idea i will try that