About ktw winchester m1873

[Matula]

Like you know on the CBSA :

antique firearms are not considered firearms for licensing and registration purposes. Antique firearms include:

* any firearms manufactured before 1898 that are not originally designed or redesigned to discharge rim-fire or centre-fire ammunition;
* long guns manufactured in 1898 or later that are reproductions of flintlock, wheel-lock, or matchlock firearms; and
* firearms that are classified as antique by regulations.

I was wondering if i can import a KTW. I searched some information about this gun on FRT list and on the airsoft Canada website. I didn't find anything that can help me.

If you have any idea, let me know.

Mat.

[R.I.T.Z]

hmmm good question seems like a possibility

[Andres]

I think if the gun itself was made prior to the date, it would be considered an antique. But since it is a new made replica, it may not be imported as an antique. Even though the gun was designed prior to 1898, it was manufactured after 1898 therefore cannot be legally had.

I might be wrong, someone else feel free to correct me.

[Matula]

my problem is most base on the barrel size, i know normaly the max set by the CBSA is 11 cm. I'm not sure if this airsoft toy can be considered out the limit. Maybe i can demand to ship in another parcel the barrel, just in case.

[ts10z]

I think it may have a problem, because the RS version was chambered for the .44-40 centerfire cartridge, and the first part of the CBSA guideline says it has to be made before 1898 and NOT fire either rimfire or centerfire rounds, so they will call it a MODERN replica, not an antique. Basically to qualify as an antique it has to be a muzzle loader or one of the early non cartridged breach loading weapons. I would be careful.

[Qlong]

Winchester M1873 was designed to discharge rimfire and centerfire ammunition, so it is not considered an antique firearm.

[Matula]

Well thank you
You close the discussion.

[NRN_R_Sumo1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antique_gun#Canada

been doing a bit of research on the winchesters myself and I'm finding something a little intriguing about the definition of Antique guns themselves..

Nothing I've found overly useful, but its interesting that as long the winchester isnt a model that could use center-fire or rim-fire ammo its perfectly fine apparently. (Real antique made from before 1898)



But, from what I see, this leaves Jezails and arquebusses open, its a shame there no one who makes them as I'm sure that they would sell a fair number of them around the globe.
a couple others
Brown Bess
other Musket varients
Kentucky Rifle
a fair number that used a paper cartridge (aside from the chassepot)
a 'dragon' or Blunderbuss of course
the boyer rifle



..Wait, does this mean the KTW flintlock pistol wouldnt be legal to import then? as it states "Other than a handgun"

However, any reproductions of guns which at any time used a cartridge ammunition seem to be a no-go for the antique class.

Canada

In Canada, antique guns are defined under P.C. 1998–1664. One minor source of confusion for antique gun collectors and dealers is that in Canada, the threshold for antique status is one year earlier than in the United States. (In the U.S. guns made before 1899 are "antique", but in Canada, they are defined as guns made before 1898.)
An Antique Webley Mk I .455 Revolver, circa 1887

P.C. 1998–1664 reads as follows:

The Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms P.C. 1998–1664 16 September 1998 His Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister of Justice, pursuant to the definitions "prescribed"(see footnote a) and "antique firearm"(see footnote b) in subsection 84(1) and to subsection 117.15(1)(see footnote c) of the Criminal Code, hereby makes the annexed Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms. REGULATIONS PRESCRIBING ANTIQUE FIREARMS PRESCRIPTION 1. The firearms listed in the schedule are antique firearms for the purposes of paragraph (b) of the definition "antique firearm" in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code. COMING INTO FORCE 2. These Regulations come into force on October 1, 1998. SCHEDULE (Section 1) BLACK POWDER REPRODUCTIONS 1. A reproduction of a flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearm, other than a handgun, manufactured after 1897. RIFLES 2. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges. 3. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, whether with a smooth or rifled bore, having a bore diameter of 8.3 mm or greater, measured from land to land in the case of a rifled bore, with the exception of a repeating firearm fed by any type of cartridge magazine. SHOTGUNS 4. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges. 5. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28 or 410 gauge cartridges. HANDGUNS 6. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges. 7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.

In Canada, the Webley Mk I qualifies as a status "Antique", as it was manufactured prior to 1898, and was designed to use Webley .455 (Mk I) calibre ammunition. These revolvers were used by both the police and the military in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and are now sought-after examples of antique Canadiana.