GHK WA Mags into Magpul P-Mags

[kullwarrior]

Need some help for this, I just got my 3 pmags today (gonna keep atleast 1 for pictures) From the looks my P-Mags was modified by a screw (non-removal from what I see) in the rear of the magazine. I try to remove the follower and the spring thru the bottom of the mag It cant be done due to the modification, Im wondering how can I remove the magazine spring and the follower?
Rules: Keep the mag shell intact, I don't care about follower, if I can get it out its good, (1 or 1000 pieces doesn't matter)

Links to pictures of P-Mag and GHK Mags 56k beware!
Part One complete, Removal of rivets and feeding lips
CurrentlyPart Two INCOMPLETE, sanding of the inner P-Mags
Part Three INCOMPLETE, cutting at the rear of P-Mags and fitting GHK inner assembly into the P-Mags

[mcguyver]

The "screw" is a rivet used to pin the mag to 5 rounds as per Law.

It must be drilled out before you can proceed.

But be careful, if you remove the rivet and do not sufficiently modify the mags so that they can never again hold real rounds, you would be in possession of a prohibited magazine. In other words, if the you can easily (the standard is with no tools) remove the guts of the mag and the rivet is not present, and insert the spring and follower (also no tools required for PMag) = big no-no.

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

The "screw" is a rivet used to pin the mag to 5 rounds as per Law.

It must be drilled out before you can proceed.

But be careful, if you remove the rivet and do not sufficiently modify the mags so that they can never again hold real rounds, you would be in possession of a prohibited magazine. In other words, if the you can easily (the standard is with no tools) remove the guts of the mag and the rivet is not present, and insert the spring and follower (also no tools required for PMag) = big no-no.

Im a lil confused on what you say,
I fully understand that if I remove it and its still possible to chamber center-fire it is illegal. What I don't undestand is how to remove it. I tried to pull the spring as far out as I can (don't really care about the spring) and right now the only thing that seems logical is drilling thru and destroy the follower part which connects to the spring, then cut the spring above the rivet and the ones below should come free. Ill probably destroy the follower to the point where it will jump out if you insert the follower with the spring below (using repair kit, even though I never seen it for P-Mags) Also I have to sand the guides within the shells. Im just not sure at which point my converted device is not a prohibited item. I know there's some Canadians purchased Jdizzle's PTW P-Mags, and they went thru customs fine.

[mcguyver]

Drill out the rivet.

If you remove or grind down the feed lips, it is no longer a functional magazine as it will no longer hold rounds.

[kullwarrior]

what do you mean by drill out? I don't want to expand the hole already. It looks fugly as is I don't want to make it more noticable. are you saying to tap out?

[KEVORKIAN]

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

Im just not sure at which point my converted device is not a prohibited item. I know there's some Canadians purchased Jdizzle's PTW P-Mags, and they went thru customs fine.

As long as the PMag is mod so that it will NOT hold any live round BEFORE crossing through customs/border it should not be considered prohibited!
People who have successfully imported PMag shells from Jdizzle made it through because the PTW mag internals were already installed! You might run a greater risk of seizure/confiscation if you bring back just an empty mod PMag shell!!!

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

what do you mean by drill out? I don't want to expand the hole already. It looks fugly as is I don't want to make it more noticable. are you saying to tap out?

I'm saying take a drill bit, put it in a drill, place the drill bit against the rivet, and pull the trigger. You will cut through the rivet, and it will fall out. You will be left with a hole in your mag shell. You may be able to fill that hole with a compound like JB Weld and sand it smooth.

If you can't do that, learn to live with it, or write your MP to petition Parliament to revoke mag restriction laws.

Basically, you have little real choice here.

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

I'm saying take a drill bit, put it in a drill, place the drill bit against the rivet, and pull the trigger. You will cut through the rivet, and it will fall out. You will be left with a hole in your mag shell. You may be able to fill that hole with a compound like JB Weld and sand it smooth.

If you can't do that, learn to live with it, or write your MP to petition Parliament to revoke mag restriction laws.

Basically, you have little real choice here.

I got it done, one mag remove, Ill talk again once I get the feed lips destroy. Its 80% complete. btw Im taking pictures on the way.

[kullwarrior]

woot got it done, finally it fits into my woc. Part 1 complete. part 2...sanding the inner part of the shell. just for your info. Like the sterotypical engineer/science geek family we don't have alot of tools. All I did for the mod is a drill bits, sand papers, (wish I have a belt one, saves alot of time) and an x-acto knife. Had alot of four letter words while fitting it in.
Ill upload the picture shortly afterwards

[KEVORKIAN]

How do you like the GHK mags for performance/reliability?
I'd love to do a few PMag conversions for my gbb M4's but I've heard a lot of negatives about these mags!

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

If you can't do that, learn to live with it, or write your MP to petition Parliament to revoke mag restriction laws.

Already did, he replied saying that he supports the revokation but any party other than conservatives will no support it and even the conservative party themselves have disagreements about it. sigh... this is why Im asking how to get the mag de-prohibited without damaging the shell on wanted spots. I guess its still too dangerous to import em even witht the feed lips destroyed. Still waiting for my reply from CFC about destroying feedlips count as 0 capacity for magazine. (Once thats through Im probably gonna request it to be in a letter, and import lips-destroyed pmags with that letter and hopefully I can get cheaper pmags for the conversion. as we speak right now if I don't mess up one pmag conversion (using GHK since it is the easist to convert) will run me about $95 per mag.

Picture of Part one Complete (rivet & feed lips)

Originally Posted by KEVORKIAN

How do you like the GHK mags for performance/reliability?
I'd love to do a few PMag conversions for my gbb M4's but I've heard a lot of negatives about these mags!

GHK Mags:
*Needs breakin both the seals and the outer shells
*It WILL leak when you first use it. dry fire 200 rounds through (on semi or 2-3 burst and having 1.5-2 sec interval) and it will be good
*flood the gas insert valve and the release valve with silicon oil leave it over night and it will be good
*on semi (DMR shooting style) it can shoot about 45 bbs
*on full auto (bursting 2-5) it can shoot about 30 bbs
*the mag shell is tight, as it ever wanting to do pull up with your GBB? now you can even with the mag release button depress it is tight. (why Im doing pmags conversion)
In my opinion it is a good mag, but remember Im a person supporting innovation, I DO NOT support imitation especially those china ones like AGM, 5KU, Bomber. The main push for the conversion using GHK is because the fill valve location. It is near the top. You can pretty much know where you need to drill. As for WA design, good luck firing it blind, if you mess up you're gonna have one fugly magazine, or have a $35-80 dollar paperweight (dunno mac said pmags at one point was 80$, I got mine cheaper)

[kullwarrior]

Progress Report. Finally got time....
Got Dremal and Metal File (works so much better)
-Reach a problem, I cant sand off the parts in the middle, dremal is too short, metal file is too slow. Almost got the inner in.
Photo as usual unresize so Im giving link.
And if you don't know last time I use power tool to do mods besides doing Ikea stuff was back in Grade 9 construction, so my skills are....umm....NOT good


GOTO top for pixs!

[Panzers]

I can't see for the picture pls help,, Thanks