[lurkingknight]

somehow I missed this necro.

The g36 sights are so low that you can't co witness anything on them. You'll probably have discovered this by now. So that bit of info is for anyone else in the future that may wander into this thread.

I now have 3 g36s in use, one is a slightly longer K variant and 2 are C variants. 1 is an ares that is a loaner gun and the other is a similar build to the K I have. The 2 in use are CA bodies (for those who will ask).

To update on what I'm using as optics on my indoor and outdoor setups, I was until recently using a UTG accushot 1.25-4.5 shortdot. This is an extremely well priced real steel scope. I had the visionking I mentioned for all of 4 months. The eye relief and eyebox was terrible a max zoom.It was so hard to get a sight picture consistently and quickly that the opporunity to shoot was long gone before I could see out the tube. The accushot lets me hit the eyebox and get a sight picture so fast that I'm now using it on my indoor g36.

For the outdoor rifle, I splurged a little (not at full price) and got a vortex strike eagle 1.25-6x which is still a shortdot but getting into the more expensive real steel glass.

For cheap optics, I used acm reflex sights for the longest time, and ones I've had for 4+ years now are no longer holding zero even on the vibrations of an AEG, if you can find one that will hold zero, it will be a great, low priced optic for airsoft. I have a friend who is using his acm reflex on his real steel mossberg and it holds zero.

Now some may ask, "is having 4-6X zoom overkill in airsoft?"

Immediate answer for most players, yes. It's overkill. 40-60m which is where most engagements considered to be longer ranges in airsoft (1.5J) a non magnified optic for quick target acquisition is great. The BBs at these ranges are still visible to the naked eye.

So why 4.5-6x for me?

With a highly upgraded rifle, (riot 10:1s, rhopped prommy, perfect compression) my grouping sizes are now about 6 inches or smaller at 60m. I can put rounds through gaps in cover at 60m and hit poorly covered/concealed targets at ranges up to 90m in good conditions within 5 or 6 shots. The cone of fire is pretty wide at 90m, even when you have such a small group at 60m, so there's an element of luck involved with hitting things at those extended ranges. Being able to see exactly the flight of the BB and the landing with a scope is now useful in spotting rounds to those ranges and obstacles.

It's not for everyone, and up close, the scope does get in the way if you are at max zoom and someone is so close to you that it becomes and issue getting a sight picture in the amount of time you can react, but I've also played so long now and know the performance of my rifle so well that I can sight close targets with my rifle held at armslength to triangulate a shot or sight down other parts of the gun without the use of the scope. That gets people super salty when you noscope them trying to sneak up on you. If you are set at anything higher than 2x zoom, quick acquisition of nearby targets starts to get harder, and your situational awareness starts to tunnelvision the farther you get away from both eyes open shooting. The shortdots allow you to both eyes shoot with the optic at their lowest settings, which is why they are better than 3-9x .22 or air rifle scopes you can get at around 100-150$.