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Originally Posted by BenG
Ill update that, where on earth did you find an omni 3 tube even?
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You gotta know which rocks to turn over. But there are a few floating around I've gotten my hands on over the years and I can tell you for a fact they stomp any Armasight trash you can buy within 1,000 dollars of what they run for
I have a very low opinion of "commercial" grade Gen 2 units. If the Armasight and ATN type units were priced appropriately, I'd be all for them. They really need to be in the 1500-2000 dollar range (closer to 1500 than 2000) but they are actually priced at 3,000+ which is almost a straight rip off at that point.
We had a legendary Gen 2 unit floating around awhile back that GOA got a hold of. Was below 1k, and offered great performance for that price point. We all lost track of that thing and god knows where it is now, but that thing is an absolute relic and above all else, a good deal.
It's why I'm very particular in what Gen 2 units I buy, and I try to maximize the dollar to value ratio as much as I can - something that has become increasingly harder to do in the last year or two because of the CAD compared to the USD.
But as I said, throwing around half assed advice when you are kind of inadvertantly admitting you have never even seen the tubes you are speaking of - it's dangerous. You are potentially altering peoples purchasing decisions with incorrect information. Someone might waste money because you got something wrong.
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If omni VII and omni VIII tubes are not pinnical tubes, then what would a pinnical tube be, I was under the impression that omni VII and omni VIII where manufactured with thin film, and in the case of omni VIII sometimes without film? the equivilant non contract tube with similar specs?
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Pinnacle tube is a brand name of a line of tubes from a specific Manufacturer (ITT, now known as Harris) - the OMNI contract tubes are, well, made to the minimum specifications outlined in the Government contracts. A tube has to meet the minimum specs in the OMNI contract to be approved for the batch, if it doesn't, well the Gov didn't want it. Those tubes don't get thrown in the trash. They have to usually be sold as something else. I don't know if to call a tube an OMNI [whatever] tube it has to be produced under that contract, or be a contract overrun or whatever, but I do know you can't call it an OMNI [whatever] tube if it doesn't meet those specs. There are a number of Pinnacle tubes that are well below the minimum specs outlined in the omnibus contracts. They are still usable tubes, but, you know... Not an OMNI tube.