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ThunderCactus · March 25th, 2013, 17:16

Although I totally agree that what you get from 400fps is what you get, we just don't know what we can get from 400fps. Maybe we do, but we just haven't proved it yet.
6 years ago, the maximum range of an airsoft gun in manitoba was like 80ft. Since then the numbers constantly been going up. Amos' VSR-10 and my VSR-10 seemed to top the scales with their impressive distance, but now it seems there might be a few guns shooting even further than those.

So now, what we get at "400fps" and using .28s, there's obviously a set maximum performance we can achieve where you just can't get that BB to fly any straighter, or further, until it runs out of momentum. And THAT point we may have reached with hop-modded PTWs and tweaked VSR-10s. We generally know what a .28g BB is capable of.
But we're changing a big variable, at the same "400fps" it may be possible to use heavier ammo. So the relative velocity drops, but the range may very well increase. Or we may have the same range and much better accuracy due to the heavier ammo.

Now before we start using high speed cameras, let's just stick to simple methods
flattest trajectory possible
maximum range
Accuracy noted, I wouldn't be too anal about it. Man sized target, torso, would have trouble hitting a school bus, etc

Accuracy can only be compared against same weight ammo. So you have to test .28s against .28s. If we find the R-hops can handle much heavier .36s with ease, then of course we can state what kind of accuracy you're getting, but you can't make it a case for accuracy since the heavier ammo is the likely cause of it. We have to be careful how we go about wording the results.

For example;
Say the Rhop and standard hop have the same accuracy on a .28
But the Rhop allows you to run .36s, which may drastically improve grouping at range
You can't say the Rhop is more accurate, but you can say that a .36 is more accurate than a .28

But if the Rhop is more accurate on .28s like you said, then we can say it's a more accurate hop.

It's nice to see some positive results already though!

March 25th, 2013, 17:16	#11
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	Although I totally agree that what you get from 400fps is what you get, we just don't know what we can get from 400fps. Maybe we do, but we just haven't proved it yet. 6 years ago, the maximum range of an airsoft gun in manitoba was like 80ft. Since then the numbers constantly been going up. Amos' VSR-10 and my VSR-10 seemed to top the scales with their impressive distance, but now it seems there might be a few guns shooting even further than those. So now, what we get at "400fps" and using .28s, there's obviously a set maximum performance we can achieve where you just can't get that BB to fly any straighter, or further, until it runs out of momentum. And THAT point we may have reached with hop-modded PTWs and tweaked VSR-10s. We generally know what a .28g BB is capable of. But we're changing a big variable, at the same "400fps" it may be possible to use heavier ammo. So the relative velocity drops, but the range may very well increase. Or we may have the same range and much better accuracy due to the heavier ammo. Now before we start using high speed cameras, let's just stick to simple methods flattest trajectory possible maximum range Accuracy noted, I wouldn't be too anal about it. Man sized target, torso, would have trouble hitting a school bus, etc Accuracy can only be compared against same weight ammo. So you have to test .28s against .28s. If we find the R-hops can handle much heavier .36s with ease, then of course we can state what kind of accuracy you're getting, but you can't make it a case for accuracy since the heavier ammo is the likely cause of it. We have to be careful how we go about wording the results. For example; Say the Rhop and standard hop have the same accuracy on a .28 But the Rhop allows you to run .36s, which may drastically improve grouping at range You can't say the Rhop is more accurate, but you can say that a .36 is more accurate than a .28 But if the Rhop is more accurate on .28s like you said, then we can say it's a more accurate hop. It's nice to see some positive results already though! Last edited by ThunderCactus; March 25th, 2013 at 17:24..