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Originally Posted by Fox62
You don't really need steel and CNC parts. Gas-in-mag design, CO2 has no advantage over Propane, and doesn't necessarily have a heavier recoil (it actually achieves less overall energy in WE guns because of the design of the CO2 mags).
As I said earlier, at least on the latest WE SCAR (which is the platform I have more experience with), you change the bolt (and it's not even essential), and the gun will run for a very long time. I don't really know what you're talking about.
Also, no wonder you think gas guns are crappy; the RA-TECH parts are the ones that suck for the most part. Their super bolt for the SCAR is horrible, and their trigger group isn't very impressive. Their precision barrels could be worse, I guess. Dude, you bought a "custom" gun from RA-TECH, how do you know the amount of money it takes to make a GBBR shoot reliably and consistently? I know the TM PSG, to turn into a decent DMR platform, can cost over 1500 bucks (all the prices I'm talking about are outside Canada). An OB SCAR (220 USD + 70 shipping), inner barrel and bucking (100 bucks all shipped), and the Modify steel bolt (120 bucks shipped), that's...well, you can get at least couple of 'em for what a PTW goes for.
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So no need for gas in the mags eh? what do you use in your WE scar? Foxy you need to read my post again
i never said CO2 is better than propane I merely stated that a fully customized GBBR rifle with the propellant in the shell instead of the mags system that i have the pleasure to shoot with are far more reliable and realistic than most of the GBBR system out available to normal guys, I never say gas guns are crappy I merely state that there are no such thing as a reliable GBBR out in the market unless you go Full custom My "custom" Ra tech gun was build by myself through the info available here sure I can go for a uber elite custom rifle with custom parts and RS parts but that would make my "toy" more expensive than my RS rifle. Like I stated above there are small companies run by hobbyist instead of corporate types, so small that they survive by word of mouth that does custom parts from trigger kits to CNC metal bodies including mags and other hard to find accesories unfortunately they are so small that they are often overlooked or simply consumed by bigger companies like RA-tech, TSC etc.
Here is another one companies like Ratech, TSC etc. are the ones that made upgrade parts for GBBR affordable but never to a point where they make their stuff indestructible, The rifle I always mentioned are a Precision custom build with tolerances similar to a RS rifle (That's why they cost a buttload) every part inside including the shells are custom milled I would have to believe that any RS parts will fit into that rifle with no issue (which would make it very illegal here in Canada) there is virtually no airleak whatsoever in the chamber compared to any current GBBR it's almost like combining a PTW, daytona(W/O hose) and a OB GBBR with shell eject just like the real thing. Realism is also why some of us go for a GBBR, No? your scar with the plastic lower have a better fit than most of us running M4, with the pot metal lower there are some tolerance issue. There are guys here that have a RS build based on WE OB system that shoot wonders and perform way better than stock or modified version but I would hardly call that afforadable and not everyone here have the know how or access to a CNC or milling machine.
So Just to conclude my 2cents in terms of GBBR reliability, You want a bomb proof GBBR go full custom, if not there are good platforms out there with small modification or a full out mods you will still face issues but not as much as stock, gameability there is nothing more satisfying than to hear a WHACK!, WHACK!, WHACK! instead of a hummer from an AEG.
Cost, well a good GBBR is doable but the question will always exist HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO SPEND?? The quest and cost for realism in airsoft is sometime mindboggling and a bottomless trap which I and many here have falled for. Whether it's a $8000 plus for a ultimate GBBR toy, or putting a $3K worth of RS parts and accesories on a $250 toy it's still a toy made by a chinese company to imitate the real steel version.
So to answer the OP question
IS THERE A GOOD RELIABLE GBBR? Answer is YES but how much are you willing to pay??