Airsoft makes front page of Guelph's local paper... and not because the cops like it
 

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GODDAMNIT, stupid kids, and stupid people people selling to minors.

I'm pro-choice for a reason.

Finally a cop with half-a-brain...

If an idiot is waving around anything that looks remotely like a firearm, especially at a cop... he is a criminal, deal with him.

Why did you re-type it and not just highlight, cut & paste onto here?

i agree, clear or not anything that has the silhouette of a fireman NEEDS to be stored in a locked guncase

Yeah, you gotta be careful waving those firemen around.

http://www.wtfire.org/photos/fireman.gif


:D

WOW its people like that, that are going to get airsoft band, like keep them in your house unless your going to a a game then throw them in a duffle bag and put it in your trunk, and even though it doesn't look that cool Paint the tips orange.
lets use our heads people

I got arrested waving my fireman around in church... The nuns were not too happy about it...


Seriously though, more push for some sort of 18+ infrastructure.
-Daes

I just watch this on CP24 showing crapsoft guns.

Doesn't matter. Never will. Criminals don't obey laws and could care less what restrictions are in place to govern the law-abiding.

They just laugh at us.

Hmm, an airsoft band, never thought of that. Who plays what instrument? ;)

If someone points a replica firearm in the direction of a cop... he deserves what's coming... I mean, do you ban bridges because people jump down? We don't really need bridges, we could just use chinook helicopters with child locks on the doors... but we would need to have something to secure the blades, they could hurt people that jump into them... styrofoam should do the trick...

If you rub your fireman's helmet he spits in your eye.

Eric Cartman :D

And yes anyone dumb enough to bring a replica out in the open deserves what he gets, be it the weapon gets taken away from him, or the dumbass get shot. That's just plain stupidity.

I'll repeat what I wrote in an almost identical thread; has anyone else noticed that those who are worried are under-aged or not verified yet?

Is it a problem because the parents can now read the laws?

Jesus christ i fell laughing

Ok, although I understand the sentiment behind this, i DON'T believe that someone should be presumed guilty, the police called, and the individual SHOT or taken into custody at gun point for the simple "offence" of being in possession of a firearm or something that looks like one.

If I substituted the word "hammer" with the word firearm, would it be justified? Any object is only a weapon if used as such.

I'm a legal gun owner. If i'm walking around in my house with my pistol in a holster on my hip, which is perfectly legal in my residence, and I walk past a window and someone calls the police, is it right that I can be thrown on the ground and handcuffed or worse SHOT by a cop with less trigger time then me who gets scared and thinks I'm reaching? Think about it...I've broken no law but having something on my hip or in my hand is enough to presume guilt or impending violence and warrants arrest at gunpoint or worse.

Now, if you point a gun (real or otherwise) at a police officer, you better expect to get shot. That being said, I don't support demonizing anyone who happens to have a replica OR a real firearm in their hand when some nosey neighbor peeks over the fence. Firearms ownership is NOT A CRIME. Replica possession is NOT A CRIME.

Don't let political correct determine what's criminal and what's not folks. Remember you have RIGHTS, despite what's "socially acceptable" or not.

the simplest of answers is to kill the kids. If we from now on kill all children so they cannot grow up and jeapordise our sport then we will be living a utopia. So band together hold hands sing at the top of your lungs and start a band of ravening idiots going house to house killing all the lil children. We can only hope that one day our streets will be clean and never again will we have to deal with stupid kids.

Who's with me?

Well said. (Edit: Morb) ^

Luckily for people who do the stupid act of being in the wrong place with a "gun", cops are usually as sensible as per described above.

You must also question the motive of someone who points something they obviously know is "scarey" at someone. If the kid knows what he is holding will be considered the real deal, there's no difference in his mindset. He/she still intends to scare whether or not they actually have the ability to kill. I know it's a premature conclusion but anyone who points a weapon at someone in this situation should be assumed to have done the same with a real one.

airsoft would turn into wheelchairsoft

Sorry substitue weapon with using Real rifle/pistole or Replica irresponsibly, ie waving it around in public like it's a real one. Mistakes happen true, and I'm not out to get those whom just happened to be a minor mis understanding, but those who are obvious about it, that's another thing.

Any one that can wave a fireman around has my respect and admiration... If they can wave two or more... well there's freaks in all sorts of places...

Yeah that's cool, and i'm not singling you out specifically.

The issue, primarily, is that REAL guns are too prevalent in criminal hands these days so the Police can't reasonably dismiss a child playing with a replica as such. Give a toy gun to a 5-year old and I GUARANTEE he'll pull it on a police officer if he's given the chance, because the police officer is carrying a gun too and the child wants to play with him because of the commonality and his imagination.

The existence of REAL guns on the street makes that cop wonder if the kid got his brother's crime pistol or his dad's registered Glock. If it's pointed at him, he'll assume it's real and shoot, and he will be entirely justified in doing so, even if the memory lasts a lifetime and the moral justification is lost.

That's the world we live in. Because law enforcement and soccer moms fear the possibility that little Johnny might get shot when he's out playing with his toys, nobody should be permitted to have them.

Unfortunately for the cops and the soccer moms, the bad guys have real guns despite the laws to the contrary, will continue to have them, and the problem they're trying to avert won't go away. The difference is, when replica's are illegal, the police can claim that ANY shooting is justified; if replica's are illegal, then it must have been a real firearm. Even if it wasn't.

you would think that someone getting shot because they were waving a replica firearm like an airsoft gun around in public might actually knock some sense into the people of the airsoft community who would ever think of taking them out into public. however, it has never been the style of police officers, at least in canada, to shoot first and ask questions later. they always try to stop the person first, so if that person has any sense, they'll comply...

that makes me mad!

Wow... firemen, bands and crapsoft.

You could almost mistake this place for ASC..... almost.

doesnt matter if its 18+, we had an article in the Calgary Herald and Sun about gang kids using them. Calgary has experienced a HUGE gang related crime increas and i guess cops are finding more and more replicals when they do their raids.

I realize what you are saying here, but it's kind of splitting hairs. One could keep going in that direction by saying "well, what if he had a 2x4" or "what if he had a glass bottle". The fact of the matter is that a gun is created specifically to kill or wound another living thing.

Don't get me wrong, I agree about your arguments on being on your own personal property, but in public, it simply cannot be socially acceptable for people to be waving firearms around, real or fake, regardless of if they plan on using it.

That may be but those who are under-aged have a reason to worry. All of you guys who play right now and have your guns don't have to worry about it. For the under-aged people who plan on getting in to airsoft we have a reason to worry. What happens if there is a ban on airsoft guns? I know that all the Age-verified members will say well get age verified and buy off the classifieds, but guns only last so long and im sure if there is a ban on airsoft guns it will be extremly hard to get parts across the boarder too.

What do you mean? Those who aren't age verified are in no worse a position than those who are...retailers' access to goods is down, and as you said, an airsoft gun may potentially have a good, long life, but it's by no means endless...all members of the airsoft community would suffer if a ban were put on airsoft!

Yes but at least if they were some how able to get parts in they could maintain there guns. however for those just getting into the sport they will have no chance at all of getting a gun.

Always guns for sale in the classifieds.

You Guys make me Tired
 

Here we go....

There is no need for a "ban on Airsoft" it is already illegal for anyone to sell replica guns to individuals...

Technically it is already banned... so you can stop worrying about a ban... as it is pointless to worry about something that has aleady happened... 9 years ago.

The CFO, CBSA and law enforcement is stepping up enforcement on the proliferation of Replicas... hence the customs troubles... and the recent charges in the GTA against some small time unlicensed re-sellers.. which has precipitated most of the retailers to significantly curtail their imports... or stop importing alltogether.

I know for a fact that the CFO has orders to "clamp down on replicas" as people I know who are working on getting a props license.. have been told this from the CFO directly.

So... what does this mean... yeah.. it will be more difficult to get guns for the foreseeable future... and Yeah that means that prices will go up...and that means that this hobby will be out of reach for a lot of people who may be interested... But if you really want in... you will pony up the cash and the time to make it happen.

*puts his L shaped stick in the rifle case*

Grow the fuck up.

Baha, beer out the nose for that one....guys, chill....as long as there are stupid fucking morons alive and breading on this planet, we'll have issues with idiotic things being done. So sit back, and just laugh it off. Brain is right, since 1998 airsoft was banned, so the situation may only change slightly, supply will tighten but thats probably all.

I'm from guelph, I know 3 police officers here, they said that most of this started when the walmart opened, befor that it was pellet guns from canadian tire. and the fact that no one has been shot is amazing since most of our police force are cowbows.

Wait.... so it's not illegal to own a replica gun? Just to import them?

Seriously folks how many times is this thread gonna be started? How many times are we going to write the same thing? How many times are we going to go over this? My god the news, the papers, the police and all the other incedents that happen show up here on the boards and the same conversation starts all over again. Transportation is the key. Be smart, be responsible. As to AEG and GBB' there will be a shortage some time in the future but you'll still be able to get parts and build your own.

nuff said

They are enforcing 18+, as they should. They are enforcing importation laws, as they should. They are enforcing municipal bylaws, as they should.

Retards are being caught, and that's fine.

You should wait until you are 18. You do agree that the laws should be respected?

Or is this because your parents read those news and told you 'no'?

It's not illegal to own one if you are over 18, and it's not illegal to import one IF you have the right permits.

Again, the folks bitching either are under 18, have no right to import, or are plain un-informed.

I think it's mostly under-18 who'se parents finally read some facts and said 'no' to their kids.

FYI, this story was on the national CTV news this morning.

funny how the media systematically acts like a large fan in which is thrown an also large bucket of sh!t.

funny how we also routinely appreciate how everything this fan swallows is instantly turned into brainwashy fearmongering garbage.

Geez ... where you been ? how can you even think about being involved with this activity... and 2 years later be still asking questions like this?

get informed... read the fracking law

OK, not to change the topic at hand, but I've lived in Guelph for 20 years, and I know, and have known, many of the Guelph police over the years (though not too many of the new ones). It's more than a small exaggeration to say that Guelph police are "cowboys"... though I have heard some negative depictions of the Guelph police, I can't remember having ever heard of the police using excessive force, especially not with anything more lethal than a taser...

No, it's because us responsible minors don't want asshats like the aforementioned kid ruining it for the rest of us.

I really hope this doesn't go through. If it happens somewhere, the soccer moms will utilize this and try to push it through everywhere.

If you are a responsible minor, then you will agree to follow the laws and the requirements that go with them, right? Such as being a responsible adult to own one?
Or respecting city bylaws and such?

Grey I think the argument was that the minors who are responsible are bitching because they don't want the irresponsible ones (who don't agree with what you wrote above) screwing crap up for the rest of them before they have a chance to get into the sport.

It's not that I wasn't thinking what we were doing was illegal, I was under the impression from what I've read and what I've been told, that the only reason it's legal for us to have them is because of a loophole, because it's undefined as to what they are, airguns or replicas. That was the explanation I got when I first started into airsoft, and I never questioned it again because I thought I understood it, but I guess I just never heard a clear cut explanation. My bad?

There's a flaw in that complaint; irresponsible minors will just get caught. Responsible minors just have to wait until they are 18 and this becomes legal for them. Nothing to worry about if they wait, is there?

I doubt very much that idiotic teens will cause airsoft to be banned. And the ban for teens owning them already exists. It's been that way for years. The only difference is that now the public is being told (again, in the papers) to get a clue.

If you had taken the time to read the posts about a recent raid in Toronto, you would have read that the Courts have now defined airsoft as Replicas. Replica laws apply.
That's as clear a set of laws as we could hope for, something we can work with.

Ah ok. I guess that's a good thing (possibly?) that at least we're dealing with something defined, now.

You know that, because you've been around long enough to see this happan before. I know it because I've read a shitload of stuff and heeded what I've been told by everyone who's been around for a long time. Not all these n00bs know that, and they just don't want to see a sport they want to get into dissapear. Lighten up. At least they're bitching about the irresponsible ones who are their age.

X1000.

It's at the point where I want the shit banned just so we can not have to hear this garbage repeated until our ears and eyes bleed.

Im not exactly worried about cops treating them like they are real guns. Because thats how they should be treated by the people who bought them, they are not toys. Its the fact that people are actually willing to ruin what we have just so they can steal something or be a freakin idiot.

Maybe that will never change though, thats the price we pay for wanting realism.